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Old 01-29-2008, 04:56 PM
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Re: We Must Rethink A Few Things

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It is now time that we must rethink a few things...yes a few things that we have held to be tenants of, if not faith, at least godly obedience and ethics. I am thinking that it is no longer acceptable for the doctrine of holiness to be so rigid on what one does or does not wear or what media to broadcast the gospel, if it is broadcast at all, yet so easily, without one thought, cast aside what was formerly considered to be godly authority. Holiness cannot be found outside godly authority. What is not under subjection to godly authority CANNOT be holy. It is nothing but rebellion.

That great preacher of Holiness and sanctification, John Wesley eventually separated from the Church of England. But not by his own choosing. He had brought such a stir, such a move of God, such an awakening everwhere he went preaching, that it became unbearable to the old system that he was in. His beloved church could no longer endure the power of the Word of God that he preached among them. To make a long story short, which reading would be greatly beneficial to the Tulsaites, John Wesley was driven out against his own choice.

What a godly example did this hearld of righteousness present for today's Tulsa 6. Yes, there is a right way to do something and there IS A WRONG way to do the same thing. Political slight of hand is NOT the right way. Iniquity will not be tolerated in the body of Christ nor will it be presented in heaven as acceptable. Lawlessness is the way of the Antichrist.

So, dear hearts...

We are now back to square one. We must now rethink a few things in this time of reflection. Just what constitute divine authority? Just what constitute submission? Just what constitute submission or rebellion to THAT divine authority?

These Tulsa six, by their actions are plainly stating that there is no divine authority under which they yoked themselves, lo, these many years. Or if they will clearly state that it was indeed divine authoity, how is it that they now can be in rebellion? Do they now consider that by passing res. 4 that such action voided out any perceived divine authority? How can any of them preach submission to proper authority when themselves are in rebellion, if indeed they were heretofore under subjection to divine authority?

From my following this discussion on these various threads, it does not seem to me that anyone hardly is even thinking this thing through, nor have they really considered the great, great transgression against the body of Christ that is being inflicted by these SIX.... (It just occured to me...SIX is the number of MAN. Imagine that! Coincidental? Well, maybe). In short, can we endure the preaching of submission by those who do not submit? Will we practice humility and brotherly love as shown forth by their actions? Can there be true holiness apart from such humility, love and submission?

At any rate, many souls are going to be devastated from the foolishness of their action...but for what cause? Purity of holiness? No. There was no mandate that they should compromise that purity as they perceived it. In my humble but sometimes inflamatory opinion, these men are now in condemnation even if they do not realize what a horrible thing that they have done.

To have done things righteously, they should never depart but rather bring a stir within their ranks with the power of their preaching until they were forcefully expelled as was the great preacher of righteousness, John Wesley.
Martin Luther also had some VERY legitimate beefs with the Catholic church. He posted them on his door as Thesises for discussion. He did not leave, he was issued a papal bull (told to shutup), which he burned, then was excommunicated.

The church threw him out because they could not tolerate the light he was shining on their sinful activities.

Did the UPC tolerate the conservative questioning of methods and theologies? To my knowledge there was never any interferance. We have always been free to nail our 95 Thesises to the doors of our churches without fear of dismissal as long as our spirits are right, and we don't try to rip the organization apart.
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