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Originally Posted by OGIA
Yes, just "oh", since you don't see that Jesus clearly said He manifested His Father's name. The only name we have scripture declaring He mainfested is Jesus Christ. If you don't see that, why should I belabor the point?
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I agreed that Jesus did say He manifested His Father's name. But to go beyond that is nothing more than INTERPRETATION of scripture.
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Then maybe you should have attacked me by saying I should brush up on my "comprehension" skills?
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Comprehension is part of reading.
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Ok, so now I ask you: how can God be manifested in flesh while something of Him, His Fatherhood, is not?
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The same way that a human male can be a father and yet he is not his fatherhood. The same way a son can be like his father yet he is not like his father's fatherhood.
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This is the name of God? What about the Father? Same person, same name? Or no?
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It is the name of God, not of His fatherhood or of His holiness or of His love or of His justice or any of His other characteristics/attributes.
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I agree that the Son is the manifestation of God, but the verse does not say the Son was manifested in flesh. It says God. But, according to you, not all of God was manifested in flesh, right?
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As I said, the passage says that GOD was manifest in the flesh - not His fatherhood, not this or that attribute of His. GOD was manifest (revealed) in the flesh. This is not the same thing as John saying that the logos "became flesh and dwelt among us." I think you (and maybe certain others here like Brother Epley) confuse "manifest" with "became."
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Christ refers to His humanity. God could not be the Messiah without flesh, right? His diety lies in the name we get by transliteration from YHVH-Savior, Jesus. But, the two cannot be separated. Diety + humanity (Yahweh-Savior + Messiah) are fused into the One called Jesus Christ. The diety was that of the Father, the humanity was that of a woman.
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GOD is not the Messiah, God's only begotten Son is the Messiah.
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John 1 clearly tells us the name of the logos when He was manifested in flesh.
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Well, here's the passage: "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." Show me where it "clearly" tells us the name of the logos.