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Originally Posted by Chan
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YHVH?
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The analogy is what it is and it is a sufficient answer.
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Not sufficient to address God, though. That's why I don't use them anymore.
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Read the words and stop trying to read the blank spaces between them.
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That seems to be the most intelligible parts, though.
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Jesus Christ is God's only begotten Son.
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Yep. But, I quote you: "In other words,
it was the person/being of God that was revealed and not merely some role or attribute."
Is Jesus Christ the One you identify as being "revealed"? If so, then am I wrong to assume that you are saying that Jesus Christ is the person/being of God revealed?
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Only where the Hebrew text of the Old Testament does it.
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What about all of the other words rendered, OT and NT, as "God"? Am I not allowed, by your rules, to apply that personal name to those?
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John didn't say "the logos was God." He wrote his gospel in Greek. You are relying on the words of an English translation that are not necessarily accurate.
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Would you mind giving me the correct translation, then?
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Jesus' divinity is God's divinity and not some other divinity (not that there is any other divinity).
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I agree.
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The logos was divine but the logos is not God in all His fullness. The best way to understand the logos is to understand what the Jews referred to as the memra or revealed essence of God. This revealed essence is not all of God that there is, it's just the part of God that we can know."
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Bear with me, because I'm going to have to do some deducting here:
- logos is divine but not God's fullness
- logos is the part of God we can know
- logos is not all of God that there is
Doesn't that mean that there is a part of God that was not revealed?
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You said that His name was clearly stated in John 1 where John said that the Word became flesh. (The exact quote: "John 1 clearly tells us the name of the logos when He was manifested in flesh.") Go to that passage (John 1:14) and show me where it says what you claim it says.
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Forgive me, but I assumed you knew who that passage referred to. No, the name Jesus Christ is not in those 14 verses, Chan, but you're being a bit childish in denying that Jesus Christ
IS the One who was the logos incarnate, aren't you?
Or, are you even denying that? I certainly hope not.