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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
I'm sorry. Other then a few very specific examples in the Old Testament, I don't see where God intentionally caused anything bad happen to anyone...... Even in the OT, more often than not, He allowed such stuff to happen. (See the book of JOB.)
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I would agree with that. Death, destruction, sickness all came through sin, but not all death, destruction, sickness is caused by sin. The natural course of this earth is the cycle of death
unless you enter the life cycle through Christ.
Where I live the air is REALLY bad....lots of lung problems out here in California. Are these problems caused by sin? No, they are caused by the poor air. However, has Christ provided for my healing? Absolutely! However, if I don't lay hold of the promise I won't experience the promise.
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I see this idea of curses, such as sickness and the death of a loved one, being caused by a lack of faith as being nothing but dumnation and of no redeeming value.
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First of all realize that it is how you see it. Your and my opinion plus $1.75 will get us a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
As illustrated above, sickness is not a cause of a lack of faith, but the inability to receive our healing when Jesus bore it for us is absolutely a lack of faith.
While you consider this dumnation and of no redeeming value only means you prefer a touchy feely empathy doctrine instead of seeing people be free. Unfortunately, this is what church has become, some sort of petting zoo where we stroke each other and rationalize why it's not our fault that we're sick, broke, and dying.
I would rather be straight and figure out why I am not walking in the fullness of God's promises that Jesus purchased on my behalf. I have a right to live in divine freedom, health, and prosperity. Anything short of that is a result of my unwillingness to develop my faith.
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The logical extension of such thought is that everyone who DOES suffer from such misfortune must have SINnnnnnn in their lives somewhere. OooohhhhoooooHHHHoooooo!
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Absolutely not! I have read many of your post, especially in the stem cell discussion. You are very articulate and have an above average degree of smarts. What a blessing that is until it comes to the matter of faith which defies all logic.
There is nothing logical about faith. You can't pull a text book out and say this is what you have to do. Faith looks at the impossible and reaches into the realm of the provision of heaven and takes hold of the answer....thus all things become possible:
2 Cor 4:18
18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal. (KJV)