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Originally Posted by Ferd

you dun drunk the democrat coolaid.

No one has EVER Suggested that we have "won"

and Iraq is not a civil war. and the lesson we learned in Vietnam is that when liberals cry we end up loosing.

we lost vietnam because of cowards like ted kennedy and others who WANTED to loose.

NOT because it was a so called civil war.

the situation in Iraq is very much winnable. the majority of Iraqis want us there and want a free society and know they can get it with out help.

but we have too many liberals who smell power and have decided they can get power by loosing.

Ferd, it may be the koolaid but I do interpret "Mission Accomplished" as a win.
As someone who was raised around civil war that involved tribalism and religion, let me tell you that the Shiite and Sunni situation in that country and region will not be solved by what we are doing, and it has been worse because of what we have done.