[Praxeas]

1Cor's argument was "you can find these in clubs" and that means they are wrong. He totally missed the irony though. If the above is true then it is true always and not subject to personal bias, which is what I think this is really about.

As it was pointed out, you can find musical instruments in these clubs. So if we were consistant here musical instruments have to be wrong regardless of what the bible says. But since we know the bible mentions musical instruments in a good light this disproves the notion that just because you find it in a club it is wrong. That effectively removes the foundation of his argument.

Ever been to a concert outdoors? No lights or fog but lots of speakers and amps and musical instruments...that cancels out any campmeeting, even the one in Ventura.

The world is not an object. It is a world view and a mindset. Christians have a Christ based world view and sinners have a self based world view and mindset. John wrote "All that is of the world, the lust of the eyes and flesh and pride of life is of the world"

Colored lights? I hope some of you christmas celebrants are repenting now. Another word for colored lights is ambiengt lighting...you see that at Disneyland, Magic Mountain or other venues. You also see that at fine dining restaraunts.

Yes Paul used a pagan alter. No he did no build it, but he used it to get the attention of the people so he can preach to them. Most churches only use these elements to attract more attention and then they preach to them.

Early pioneers used brush arbors and tents. Imagine a huge tent being erected...it would get attention.

there is nothing morally wrong in colors or lights or fog, that is absurd...in fact that sounds very gnostic.

That is why TVs are not evil objects. They are just boxes of electronics...you are not gonna go to hell by walking past them at Best Buy.

BTW I've only seen things like fog and strobes used in a way to entertain, not as part of a worship service. I have seen them at concerts and plays. I have seen colored lighting used at worship services though for youth. No biggie.

BTW they have regular lights at clubs. They have chairs. They have a lot of things, just because they use them does not make them worldly anymore than instruments..

Oh yeah..they did not have bass or regular guitars or drum sets in bible days. They had something like a guitar in the harp and probably had drums more like what you see pagan tribes using while dancing around the fire.