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As for the theif/death bed gimmics I’m not going to be full of scripture with this one. Just going to try and invoke some common Holy Ghost sense here. I do believe you must repent, be baptized in Jesus name and be filled with the Holy Ghost by evidence of speaking in tongues in order to be saved by the grace of God. Now, about the “death bed scenarios”.

1. Has anyone ever personally experienced (in the third person of course) a person who has repented on their death bed? If no, then step away from the keyboard. If yes then,

2. Did this person go on to receive the Holy Ghost by evidence of speaking in other tongues? If no, then step away from the keyboard. If yes then,

3. Did same person go on to the grave or did their situation turn back to the living?


I may be wrong, but I would be willing to say that few made it past #2 and if so I would be interested in their answer to #3. Thing is people, we are above this and God is definitely far above this. God knows the heart. Is that person in repentance because of their situation ? Who wouldn’t be ? If so, will God honor repentance then?

Do we really think God is this shallow? I don’t think so, I think God is far from the thinking of the flesh that started this thread. We are putting Him in a box with His own Word and not stopping to think….He is God.

First off, If one truly repents from their heart, they will receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost, it is promised. Now, that being said, the question is , “what about water baptism?”. Well to be honest with you , I don’t know. But I have to ask, do we really think for one minute that if baptism is required of that person in order for their salvation to be complete that God is going to fill them with the Holy Ghost and then just leave them there to die without the chance of water baptism? Since when did we start believing that death is victorious over God? Is He not able to bring one back from a death bed? Would He not do so in order that one could be saved who is now willing with a repentant heart?

We are trying to mold water. If you had read the Bible front to back having never read it before, would you have been waiting on Paul to be struck down with fire or lightening at some point? I was. God fooled me too. He proved that He does not think as I do, nor does He work as I do.

Jesus made an exception on the cross. Can He make an exception on the death bed ? Sure, He is God. Do I throw away all the scripture telling me to obey the Word of God and what it says I am to do to be saved ? Not hardly. To do so would be to say that I am one of God's exceptions. Maybe some are Godly enough to make that claim. I myself don't plan on being so foolish as to make that claim.

On the broader, more general discussion. We have seen this thread a million times. It has been rehashed and ressurected in hundreds of different styles using hundreds of different scenerios. They all end the same. So what exactly is the point here ? Why keep bringing them up?

What tv shows rate the highest ?
Why do are some people addicted to tabloids?
Why do some insist on starting threads that are divisive?
How do those same ones actually call themselves teachers?

Credibility and good willed discussion for the purpose of lifting each other up is all but lost. Keep leading Dan, I don't know where your going. But this road you always take us down is so full of discontent and strife that it always ends in the same. Think I'll take a different road, find a different teacher. We will be known by our fruits, yours just never seem to be any good.

Good day and God bless,