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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

My point is that everyone seems to be wanting to do away with obedience in their zeal to prove salvation is by God alone.

Yet when they are presented with the full revelation of the doctrine of grace that God choses his elect before the foundation of the world not according to what we are doing but according to his own purposes THEN it is they who turn back and think THEY had a free will choice in their salvation.

God takes the credit for who comes to him. Yes from our view point it seems we have chosen him. Yet if we are ever able to receive it we chose him because we were ordained to do so.

So sure enough if anyone actually gets saved it was Gods work.

I see it a little differently. Because of God's foreknowledge, He knew from before the world began who would choose to walk in His ways. He knows the end from the beginning. The entirety of history was known of God before it could be called "history". So we do have a free choice to live according to God's original design and intent. He foresaw our choices. After seeing the end, God called, predestined, justified, and glorified.

Did God step into future history and cause some redirection? I think so, but nothing that would ultimately restrict our freedom to choose.