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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

42They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles

This being a key verse especially many miraculous signs were done by the ((((apostles))))..I am sorry but there are no apostles this day and age god gave them special power no one has that power today...

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Dordrecht Jesus did not give any man today the power for them to lay hands on you and you speak in tonugues that was a specific fuction for the apostoles in there day and age for a specific reason to get the gospel out about the death, burial, and resurrection which we have the bible to tell us that today..

Originally Posted by Dordrecht

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Originally Posted by Dordrecht

Hey, listen KWSS, you know you are on an Apostolic Forum.
I can't make you change your mind.
I'm just to busy to go back and forth into a useless discussion. :-)

For the record, Dordrecht, I AGREE WITH YOU.

With that said, I think KWSS deserves a mature and studied response. IMO, he has thrown down a gauntlet that has needed to be thrown down for a VERY LONG TIME! Let's face it... if we are truly apostolic so far as what the word is really supposed to mean and not tied to a denomination... then why don't we see the miraculous like they did in the first century? Jesus said, "And these signs shall follow them that believe..." in Mark 16. So, where are the signs?

<Insert sound of crickets chirping here>

I agree with you, Dordrecht. I don't believe Jesus ever intended for the miraculous to be phased out. Miracles are performed to bring glory to Jesus and so that the unbelieving might believe. But in practice, our liturgy and our tradition and our own preconceived notions of how we think God should/will/can move limits the flowing of His power through us and in us. We've contained God in these boxes that we call church buildings and sanctuaries - things the first century church never imagined. Christianity was the first and only religion to NOT have holy buildings or holy objects or a holy clergy. But we've certainly added it all because we thought we needed it.

KWSS, I believe there are many people who operate in the role of an apostle, though most would probably not add the title to themselves, just as I believe there are those who operate as prophets in the church (for example, I personally believe that Royce Wilson has functioned in the role of prophet at times). The five-fold ministry is not about offices or titles, it's about roles that are to be functioning in the church.

It's a valid question that deserves a response. You've challenged me today. If we're not seeing the miraculous, it's not because God has stopped doing the miraculous. It's because we've stopped allowing Him to do it through us. We need to get rid of the old wineskins!