[Parson]

Hi Bro Blume

Our good FP brethren believe that after Jesus ascended with the "mortal" physical body, He abandoned it somehow.

How one defines words has been the major bone of contention on most theology differences.

To be accurate, one must use the historical-grammatical approach that you used with the Greek word anastasis.

But to my point.

I understand that the FP brethren believe that Jesus ascended with his freshly resurrected MORTAL PHYSICAL BODY, that He was forced to abandon it somehow before He was ALLOWED to enter into the heavenly realm.

By default, THE MORTAL BODY HAD TO DIE A SECOND TIME.

MOR'TAL, a. [L. mortalis, from mors, death, or morior, to die, that is, to fall.]

1. Subject to death; destined to die. Man is mortal.

2. Deadly; destructive to life; causing death, or that must cause death; as a mortal wound; mortal poison.

The fruit

Of that forbidden tree whose mortal taste

Brought death into the world, and all our woe--

3. Bringing death; terminating life.

Safe in the hand of one disposing power,

Or in the natal or the mortal hour.

4. Deadly in malice or purpose; as a mortal foe. In colloquial language, a mortal foe is an inveterate foe.

5. Exposing to certain death; incurring the penalty of death; condemned to be punished with death; not venial; as a mortal sin.

6. Human; belonging to man who is mortal; as mortal wit or knowledge; mortal power.

The voice of God

To mortal ear is dreadful.

7. Extreme; violent. [Not elegant.]

The nymph grew pale, and in a mortal fright--

MOR'TAL, n. Man; a being subject to death; a human being.

Warn poor mortals left behind.

It is often used in ludicrous and colloquial language.

I can behold no mortal now.

Jehovah's Witness (who agree with the FPs on the resurrection of Christ) think that somehow Christ's body dissolved....which would require the body to die.

OR

That Christ has HIS FORMER MORTAL BODY hanging up in a celestial museum....like some type of display.

I am not quite sure how the MORTAL BODY would exist ALIVE without it being a SECOND JESUS....(Jesus the SPIRITUAL BODY and Jesus the MORTAL BODY) no matter WHERE it is stored.

Last point....it seems that Bro Burk wishes to infer that the APPEARANCE of Jesus Christ that John saw in Revelation 4:3 was NEVER seen on earth.

Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.

The Greek word for transfigured is metamorphoō from which we get the English word metamorphose--To change into a different form; to transform;

And if I remember my history correctly--Christ was still in His earthly PHYSICAL body when this occurred.

Furthermore, John saw ONE WHO SAT ON THE THRONE....certainly not just light.......and the appearance was like sparkling jewels.

Rev 4:3 The one who was sitting there sparkled like precious stones of jasper and carnelian. A rainbow that looked like an emerald surrounded the throne.

The Greek word metamorphoō has the same root as metaschēmatizō which is the Greek word used for CHANGE in the following passage.

Php 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

I must also point out that the TRANSFIGURATION did not require the MORTAL BODY OF JESUS CHRIST to die. Nor did it require Him to change clothes (to slip into something more suitable for what FPs call a SPIRITUAL BODY)

I am really curious as to what the FPs think happened to Christ's body in the ascent to heaven. Did it die...... as by definition of MORTAL it had to.

What did it die of?

And where is the scripture that says that Christ died again so that He could shed His MORTAL BODY to enjoy a Spiritual Body in Heaven???


Parson