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Old 04-07-2009, 09:42 PM
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Re: No Pre-existing Son... Before Christ's Birth?

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed View Post
well, you know I don't agree with you... God did not die. Jesus died and was resurrected and now reigning in power.

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Jesus said if you have seen me, you have seen the father... but it was in his actions, words that was the image of God... his life totally fulfilled the word of God spoken...which did begin with a thought. He was the faithful witness to everything spoken of prophets of old. Mt 2:23 Mt 5:17

The Spirit of God was IN Christ... but was not him...only the invisible expressed in action.

Because the Son paid the price... everything that we do walking, living according to the Word brings glory to him... by everything we say and do. I'm so thankful for the sacrifice... for the Word bridged the gap between man and God..

My biggest issue with saying that Jesus was just God wrapped up in flesh is basically saying that he had an advantage... it takes away from the sacrifice of Jesus overcoming temptation of sin and submitting his will to the Father....the ultimate sacrifice of giving your life for another... true love, he paid it all... and because of that, he can help us in temptations... Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. If we think he had an advantage...then we will always make excuses for not walking towards perfection through him.

Heb 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever.

btw, God cannot be tempted and neither will he tempt anyone. James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: (yet Jesus was tempted) Matthew 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

You cannot take God and make him flesh in any way.... God (who is Spirit) was IN Christ Jesus....and now God can be in us as well... dwelling in us as we conform to his image as the body of Christ.
May God bless you when you speak. I appreciate that your words bear witness of the confidence you have in God's provision of our reconciliation to him; enabled by his anointed one, Messiah, the Son of God.
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