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Originally Posted by NotforSale
I've pastored for the last 13 years
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Great, then you should be well equipped to PROVE your assertion that tithing is required of New Testament saints.
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Working a secular job most of the time.
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I have respect for that. What I can't stand is these preaches/pastors/evangelists who CAN NOT hold a job. And NEVER HAVE held a job.
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The amount of the Tithe has nothing to do with my post. The "Tithe" is what matters. You can be a theif if it's 10 cents, or 10 dollars.
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Please show me one scripture in the entire BIble where any one single person tithed MONEY. Certainly it's in there-right?
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They both must come from a willing heart. All requirements of God must be done with a willing heart.
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Agreed. And since were going to quote
2 Corinthians 9:7, let's take a look at the whole scripture:
Every man according as
he purposeth in his heart, so let him give;
not grudgingly, or
of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
Please explain how teaching people that if they don't "tithe" they are robbing God is not teaching giving out of NECESSITY. Do you teach-"Tithing is optional, from a willing heart-but if you don't do it your going to HELL!"
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Originally Posted by NotforSale
I never said "Tithe or Hell".
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If you teach those who don't tithe are robbers and thieves of God-does not scripture tell us thieves will not inherit the Kingdom of God? It is impossible to really teach the necessity of tithing and say those who don't aren't going to hell.
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As far as studying out the issue, you are the one who shows much ignorance.
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Great so you can tell us or show us where we can find scripture for tithing being money. Surely any well versed can teach us this simple doctrine. If I asked you to show me baptism in Jesus name-would you not go right to scripture instead of personal opinions. If its in there-lay it out for us.
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You, and others, have still not addressed what Jesus said about rendering unto God what is God's. What is God's??
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Everything is God's. This includes but is not limited to money. I think sometimes you guys miss this scripture:
"Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon? of
whom do the kings of the earth take custom or tribute?"
Think about that-who do the kings of the earth take tribute
"of their own children, or of strangers?"
Peter saith unto him, Of strangers.
Keep reading.......
Jesus saith unto him,
Then are the children free.
We are the King's children. He does not exact a tribute from us-however we are told to give according to our own heart. According to what we have, not according to what we don't have. (Quite the opposite of tithing) We are also told that if we so sparingly we will reap sparingly.
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We can deny this all we want to, but the Church is a system, requiring financial proceeds.
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No one is arguing this.
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And, it bugs me to no end, that the laity sometimes thinks the Pastor has to live like a paulper, while they drive a nice car and have a nice home.
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ridiculous-no one thinks that.