It seems we disagree on so much, and my response here is not a disappointment to that note. lol. But I respect your views.
There are differences that do not indicate two different creations. I will explain as we continue.
Joelel's reply,There are not two different creations listed in Gen..There is a creation in first chapter and a formation in second chapter.The word formation means to take something all ready created and form it,(did something different to it to make it different).In the case with Adam God took him from the natural creation and breathed into him the breath of life and he became a living soul.As I said before God created more then two people in chapter one but he only took the one man Adam and formed him,this is where the sons of God came from.The ones who had the breath of life were the sons of God.The word breath means (Spirit) in the script.The people (Sons of God) In the garden had spirtual life (spitual bodies untill they got cast out of the garden.The Sons of man out side the garden didn't have spitual bodies.
There was an other creation not listed in Gen. because when God created man and woman in the first chapter he told them to be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.The word replenish means to replace something that all ready was.
Part of Adam was formed, part was not. Because his body was made from earth, he was formed as per his body. But Adam was still created.
Joelels reply,All of Adam was created and then formed.
Psalm 104 lists the days of creation in precisely the same order as
Genesis 1 and refers to LIFE as being "created", but the earth "renewed".
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Joelel reply,Man replenished the earth also.[/B]
Psa 104:30 KJV Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth.
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Joelels reply,renewest the face of the earth,Face means things on the earth.[/B]
That shows the difference between what is formed and created.
I cannot follow your statement here. "could eat everything
but forming"? Please clarify.
Joel reply,Sorry I put a comma. It should say.We find here ,the creation of man could eat everything but forming Adam could not.So again we find this is two different events)1:29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.2:16-17 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it
This does not prove Adam was not the man created in
Genesis 1. We do not read that animals had the sort of comprisal that would allow them to KNOW GOOD AND EVIL, anyway. Adam did. Animals cannot be affected by anything that affects knowledge since they have not that capacity to begin with.
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Joelels reply,I didn;t say Adam was not created.He was created in chapter one them formed in chapter two.[/B]
Incorrect. Since the emphasis of
Genesis 1 is the actual creation, and the emphasis of chapter 2 is Adam and a stage being set for the downfall of mankind, we are going to read events out of chronology in
Genesis 2.
Gen 2 is a manner of writing that refers to creation of animals just as a sort of way of saying, "And Adam named the animals, which by the way were created from the dust of the ground." It is not saying God created them after Adam but rather explains as a side note their creation when mentioning them. This is done because the whole point of Adam naming them was to FIND A HELP METE. And the SOURCE and ORIGIN of the animals was vastly different than the woman. That explains the difference between how Eve was acceptable and the animals were not. That is why their creation form the ground was mentioned. It was not to show WHEN they were created, but FROM WHAT ORIGIN they were created. The animals came from the ground but Eve came
FROM ADAM'S BODY.
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Joelels reply,The creation started in chapter one and went to chapter two and verse [4] These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.Then in 2: 7 started the formation.Also everything God brought to Adam in the garden was brought to him from the creation and in some way formed.[7] And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.[19] And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them.I believe the ground means God took them from the natural creation.Ground meaning natural creation.Like te trees in the garden were not natural trees as we know a tree,they grew out of the ground(natural creation).[/B]
This is proved by understanding the manner in which early Semitic writers wrote. I will now prove to you that
Genesis 2 was not saying the animals were created AFTER Adam, but rather in the sixth day of
Genesis 1 using the style of writing that these early writers used that is proved by other examples of early Semitic writing.
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Joelels reply,Right the animals were created before Adam but Adam was formed and placed in the garden first and then the amimals.[/B]
This above verse is mentioned in the context where the previous chapter 6 says the temple was FINISHED.
We even read of the Palace of Solomon too 13 years to build. And after we read of the temple being COMPLETED, we read, "And king Solomon sent and fetched Hiram from Tyre...and he came to king Solomon, and did all his work; and made the two pillars." If we read that in a chronological manner, we would have to conclude that Solomon did not even get the men expert to build the temple to come to work UNTIL AFTER THE TEMPLE OF WAS BUILT! But it is not saying that. But that is how you read
Genesis 2. It is actually the equivalent of our style of writing, "Hiram, whom Solomon fetched from Tyre, made the vessels..."
This is exactly the same case in the same Bible with
Genesis 1 and
Genesis 2.
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Joelels reply,Gen.2:4 Is the end of the creation an then starts the formation.[4] These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.[/B]
It just says there was no man to till the ground in 2:4-5. That did not mean man was created to do so. It shows and stresses that GOD DID THE WORK and not man. And after sin, man had to work.
Joelels reply,This was before he created anything.[5] And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
Another error in reading. The sons of God were Seth's descendants. They were servants of God. Since the MEN choose to marry women, and not women making the initial step to choose to marry men, and since godly men are not to marry ungodly women, we read that the SONS OF GOD (males from Seth's line) married "daughters of men" (sinner women from Cain's line).