[Aquila]

Originally Posted by nahkoe

You don't have to convince me..I know what sin is and isn't.

I was just sharing my understanding.

I stand by the fact that the entire law was summed up by Jesus as I stated above.

I'll demonstrate why I believe this isn't sound logic. Jesus said that you are to love God with all that you are and your neighbor as yourself. Without referencing a single one of the Ten Commandments please tell me how that's done...

Most can't deliver when I ask that. My point is that Jesus didn't "sum up" the Law in what he said, he clarified the Law and it's over all aim with what he said. He didn't erase or replace anything. He simply clarified.

In addition, what Jesus said didn't even address the "entire law" because almost two thirds of the Law is ceremonial or relating to the civil code of ancient Israel. This leads us to your next statement...

I stand by the fact that there is more to the Torah than the 10 commandments.

That depends on how you define Torah. You see most of us Gentiles think of the Torah as the Five Books of Moses. And academically, that's an acceptable answer. However, to a Jew the Torah is the Law of God. Everything in the Law of Moses has the purpose of sustaining one of these Ten Commandments. You can take every law in the Torah and you can find that each one of them can be categorized under one of the Ten Commandments. The Law of Moses is an unfolding of the Law of God to the nation of Israel. The Law of Moses is no longer necessary because... we are not the nation of Israel. We are a spiritual Israel who is called to obey the Law of God without the carnal ordinances of Moses. So the Ten Commandments still stand.

And I stand by the fact that the entire law was fulfilled.

Yes, the entire Law, including the Ten Commandments, were fulfilled in Christ. Not so that we who are saved no longer have to obey the Ten Commandments... but so that he could purchase salvation for those of us who were lost. Now we are saved to live unto the Lord... by obeying the Law of God. Not ceremonial or civil codes of Israel and all that junk. But we are to live in harmony with the very fabric of God's morality and Holiness. And this is expressed in the Law of God.

And I agree with Neubill that sin is transgression of the Torah.

Again, that depends on how you define Torah. Some would say that if you eat a ham sandwich you've sinned. Well... that was a law of ceremonial cleanness in the Law of Moses designed to keep Israel from partaking in pagan feasts which featured swine's flesh. It's purpose was to uphold the Commandment, "You shall have no other gods before Me." Now Christ has fulfilled the ceremonial law that was being used by the Pharisees to bludgeon the people... but the Law of God, "You shall have no other gods before Me.", still stands.

And I agree with you that the 10 commandments fit rather neatly into the 2 greatest commandments.

I thought that was pretty cool too.