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Old 09-19-2009, 11:06 PM
Walks_in_islam Walks_in_islam is offline
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The contradictions are there and there are many more. Review this list then tell me "these are not found in scripture" either. Old testament, new testament, the entire book is rife with discrepency. I added the chapters for the lazy and note they are even linked. The verses are too much work. LOL YOU cannot even say what happened at the conversion of Paul! (2) completely contradictory accounts. Does that make his teachings at least a bit questionable?

David was incited to count the fighting men of Isreal. In 2nd Samuel, God incited him. In I Chronicles, Satan incited him. When they were counted, 2nd Samual says 800,000 and I Chronicles says 1.1 MM. 2 Samuel 24/I Chronicles 21

God threatens David with 7 years of famine in 2nd Samuel, 3 years of famine in I Chronicles. Same chapters

Ahaziah was 22 when he began his rule in 2nd Kings 8. He was 42 in 2nd Chronicles 22.

Jehoiachin was 18 when he began his rule in 2nd Kings 24, 8 when he began his rule in 2nd Chronicles 36

David's "chief of mighty men" killed 800 men at one time in 2nd Samuel 23 and 300 men at one time in I Chronicles 11

David carried the Ark into Jerusalem AFTER defeating the Philistines in 2nd Samuel 5/6. Before defeating them in Chronicles 13/14

David captured 1700 horsemen after defeating the King of Zobah in 2nd Samuel 8, 7000 in I Chronicles 18.

Solomon had 40,000 stalls for horses in I Kings 4. 4000 stalls in 2nd Chronicles 9.
During King Asa's reign Baasha King of Isreal died in the 26th year in I Kings 15/16. He was still alive in the 36th year in I chronicles 16.

Solomon appointed 3600 overseers to build the temple in 2nd chronicles 2. 3300 in I Kings 5.

Solomon built a facility containing 2000 baths in I kings 7. It had 3000 in 2nd chronicles 4.

Isrealites freed from Babylonian captivity (Ezra 2, Nehemiah 7):
Children of Pahrath-Moab:
2812 Ezra. 2818 Nehemiah
Children of Azgad:
1222 Ezra. 2333 Nehemiah
And so on. The total numbers agree in each book as 42,360, but if you add each individual column from each book Ezra adds to 29,818 and Nehemiah adds to 31,089

There were 200 singers in the assembly in Ezra and 245 in the assembly in Nehemiah.

King Abijah's mother's name was Michaiah, daughter of Uriel in 13th chapter of 2nd chronicles and Maachah daughter of Absalom in 11th chapter.
Absalom however had only one daughter mentioned whose name was Tamar in 2nd Samuel 14

Joshua and the Isrealites captured Jerusalem in Joshua 10 and did not capture it in Joshua 15.

Father of Joseph, husband of Mary was Jacob in Matthew 1 and Heli in Luke 3

Jesus descended from Solomon in Matthew 1 and from Nathan in Luke 3

The father of Shealtiel was Jechoniah in Matthew 1 and Neri in Luke 3

Abiud son of Zerubbabel was the ancestor of Jesus in Matthew 1 and Rhesa son of Zerubbabel in Luke 3. 7 sons are mentioned as sons of Zerubbabel. Neither son mentioned in Matthew/Luke are mentioned as sons of Zerubbabel in the list in I Chronicles 3.

Father of Uzziah was Joram in Matthew 1 and Amaziah in 2nd Chronicles 26

Father of Jechoniah was Josiah in Matthew 1 and Jeholakim in I Chronicles 3

The angel stated that Jesus would inherit the throne of David in Luke 1. But Matthew 1 says he is a descendent of Jehoiakim and I Chronicles 3 says "and Jehoiaikim was cursed by god so that none of his descendents can sit upon David's throne" Oops.

Jesus rode into Jerusalem on a colt in Mark 11 and Luke 19 and a colt/donkey in Matthew 21

Simon Peter found out that Jesus was Christ from a heavenly revelation in Matthew 16, but his brother Andrew told him in John 1

Jesus met Simon and Andrew by the Sea of Galilee in Matthew 4 and on the banks of the river Jordan in John 1. John says Jesus went to the sea of Galilee AFTER meeting Simon and Andrew.

Jairus' daughter was dead when he met Jesus in Matthew 9 but not dead / at the point of death in Mark 5

The disciples were allowed to keep a staff on their journeys in Mark 6. They were not allowed in Matthew 10 and Luke 9

Herod thought that Jesus was John the Baptist in Matthew 14 and Mark 6. He did not in Luke 9.

John the Baptist recognized Jesus in Matthew 3. He did not recognize him in John 1.

Jesus cleansed the temple the day he entered Jerusalem in Matthew 21. He spent the night in Bethany and cleansed it the next day in Mark 11.

Same chapters - Fig tree withers immediately Matthew 21, but overnight in Mark 11.

Judas kissed Jesus in Matthew 26. He did not in John 18 because he could not get close enough.

The curtain in the temple was rent after Jesus died in Matthew 27 and Mark 15. Before Jesus died in Luke 23 because he spoke after the curtain was torn.

Both thieves mocked Jesus in Mark 15. One mocked, one defended Jesus in Luke 23

Jesus ascended to paradise on the day of crucifixion in Luke 23 (or so he told the thief). He said to Mary he has not yet ascended (two get it, not 3 days later) in John 20

The apostle Paul and companions on the road to Damascus:
All heard the voice in Acts 9. Not all heard the voice in Acts 22
The companions fell to the ground in Acts 26. They did not in Acts 9
The voice spelled out Paul's duties in Acts 26. The voice told him to go to Damascus in Acts 9.

How many more? After Jesus' baptism Mark says he was driven into the wilderness, John says he selected disciples then went to a wedding feast. Two different versions of the traitor Judas' death. The time of the crucifixion has multiple versions. The story of the slave at Capernaum has (2) versions. The resurrection has (4) distinctly separate versions. Each gospel has a different set of people visiting, in some versions the stone is already rolled back, in one an angel descended and rolled it back, some versions have heavenly messengers, but the book of John has none. OH, the best one - in Exodus 7 Moses and Aaron converted all of the water into blood. Then the magicians did the same. Which is puzzling, because there was no water left?


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Originally Posted by mfblume View Post
Walks in Islam,

The contradiction example you give is not found in scripture. Speciifically list the biblical instances to show your idea of contradiction.

Also, you have repeated again and again that bin Ladin is not en example of Islam, and I have done the same thing with those whom you claim segregate. I am not saying there are not people who call themselves apostolic who segregate. I am saying they are not truly apostolic just as you are saying bin Ladin is not truly Islamic. So if you are going to make that argument against bin Ladin, then stop accusing my faith as one that allows segregation.

Also, do you claim a Christian is a true Christian while having fruit of the Spirit as well as faith that Jesus is Almighty God? (You are hedging that issue like a hot potato.)

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