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Old 10-22-2009, 05:06 PM
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Re: Validate by Experience

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Originally Posted by NotforSale View Post
I agree. Experience will only take us so far. We do need to rely on the accounts of History to confirm our ultimatums in life. I do appreciate historical accounts that share the rise and fall of humanity. This one thing is for certain, though; Man is basically the same as he has been since the beginning. There is nothing new under the sun. Killing is killing, no matter what time frame you live in. Adultery is adultery. Love is love. Hate is hate.

We complicate our lives with the technicalities of presumption, not experience. Experience reveals the flaws of what we read about in the past. Experience unlocks the door to those who've lied to us on pages of a book. Experience shows the truth about who we are, and what makes us tick.

In my Bible study last night, I gave this example; Marriage. Newlyweds make claims, have ideas, and devote to promises. But, only experience reveals the truth. Only experience crushes the fantasy.

When my wife engaged in vows 29 years ago, we had ideas, but no experience. My wife became so ill during her first pregnancy she almost had to be hospitalized. She weighed less after the baby was born than before she got pregnant. 3 months later, our son died of Crib Death. This was not in the plan. We never expected this. But, it became our experience, our reality. Watching my wife crumble under her emotion of losing that baby is beyond words. Going to the crib, reaching down to feel our son not breathing scarred her mind for years. We still cry when we talk about our little boy. Touching death revealed much about who we were. The joy of our vows was gone. Our house was still, the cry of our baby gone forever. Only the tears of my wife did I feel, and her moans of grief were daily.

We went on to have 3 more children, who are all adults today and have their own children. Failure, sickness, and much more have caused me to see life through a different lens. What I used to say, I don't say anymore, because of experience. When mothers cry from losing their son, I don’t need a text book. I hear their moan and feel their pain.

When the Israelites went into Amalek to slaughter children, I’m sorry, but I have a hard time with God condoning this. Unless we are willing to kill children ourselves, we have no business telling this story with authority. My own experience see’s the mothers of these homes, screaming for mercy as these men went from place to place with blood in their eyes. This was done in the name of the Lord, according to Scripture. My question is: Who validates this??? Those with no experience? Those who won’t kill the baby?

I also expressed to the church, in the beginning God created a man and a woman to build the Family. This was before Bibles, religion, war, hunger, and everything else we deal with on this Planet. Through experience, I see as Adam saw. We created children, going on to love the imperfect. I don't cast my children out because they fail, sin, or they go into faraway places of ignoring me. I love my children and would never cast them into flames of Hell. I cry when they hurt me, and lose sleep when they lose their way. But never would I do to them what we tell others God is going to do to them.

If God made the Family first, this tells me that the experience learned by being devoted to this initial plan was God’s intention to teach us about Him. This relational marvel called the Family, requiring mercy, love, patience, forgiveness, and utter devotion will build a healthy concept of our Creator. Unless we revolutionize our theory, we will continue to plunge our enemies over the cliff and into the abyss of Eternal Fire. This is Religions Revenge, not God’s love for imperfect people.

The Bible is just a Book, built by men who expressed what “God told them”, just like men today say, “God told me”. It’s a book of History, full of error. It’s a Book that confuses the World about God. Like I’ve stated numerous times, if the Bible was simple, and God expressed in the Bible was pure, we would have unity by it, not WAR.


Experience is the only thing that really gets me past this, because experience is REAL.
This is great. It says so much more eloquence what I have thought for quite some time. That there are only two possibilities when it comes to knowing about God. Either we can discern what he is like philosophically from necessity or we can discern what God is like through experience and observation. Personally I like philosophy but it can never tell you about what really is, it can only tell you what can be if some premise is true and what cannot be some premise is not true. Experience and observation is the only hope we have of knowing what really is.

I've often wondered if all the stories about God from the bible were collected and only them examined with no prior ideas about any of God's characteristics what would be revealed about God. I'm sure a vastly different conception of God would be obtained than what many Christians currently have. In other words, it seems many of the bible stories reveal conflicting characteristics about God to what Christians perceive him as being.

So how should we discern what God is like, from experiences and stories that we attribute to him, or from the generalizations we say about him?
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