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Originally Posted by allstate1
Then explain to me the gift of the Holy ghost, saved by grace and Jesus paying the price at Calvary!!! Now that makes it free to us today!! So I guess technically it wasnt free!! But it is free for you and I!!! Unless you wanna start putting a price on all the legalistic issues that ultr-cons have!!!
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1) so God just simply gave you salvation?
2) you did absolutely nothing at all? Basically you didn't lift a finger and bam God said... your saaaaaaved. Didn't have to repent which is a complete turning aside everything in life for him. Family, possessions, goals, etc... Leaning on his leading vs what you want to do. Which is basically signing over rights to your will in life.
3) Christ paid the price for authority to be the administrator or mediator of a new covenant by atonement. You had no spiritual collateral to pay for ultimate price of atonement on your behalf. He "offers" (which is the same word as gift), salvation to all. Does it mean you have obtained salvation because he purchased it? NO! He offers freely to all to those who believe. Believe is contextual and is not a isolate term but a continous aspect to the context of the presenter to whom you believe. Thus believe is a general term of the whole. Jesus clearly all throughout his ministry teaches the principles of covenant life from beginning to end.
4) The costs of the heart to enter and abide are clear and they cost you your life current life and possibly much persecution and hardship.
5) The term grace is about the purchase of atonement and fashioning of the new covenant. It is not about aspects within covenant or it's legal requirements. You are saved by grace(Christ giving of himself) through faith. "Through faith" is your response in whole to the contractual requirments. Grace in itself saves nobody. It takes faith to save because of grace. Faith again is contextual upon the information and request of the presenter. Faith comes by hearing. which means a presenter of information is needed. That information has context as a whole. Hearing by the Word of God. Which can be written, verbal or Spiritual teaching.
Salvation has requiremens which is "abiding" in Christ which is to abide in covenant or be at peace with God through covenant contract and it's requirements. Otherwise God will have something against you and you will not be considered "at peace" with his will/contract as the some of the churches in Revelations.