[Esaias]

What I have often done is point out that atheists and agnostics have no basis for determine the truth or falsity of ANYTHING WHATSOEVER. Because, to ask "Is this true?" requires an a priori assumption that something called Truth exists, objectively, externally, and independently of our opinions, wants, beliefs, etc. Which in turn means Truth must exist independently of the existence of humans. Or of anything, including matter and the cosmos itself.

And yet, Truth is a MENTAL CONCEPT, not a substance, and it can only be held in the mind. Therefore, there must be a mind that exists independently of humans, matter, and the cosmos itself.

If that's not the most basic definition for "God" then nothing could be.

So the atheist and agnostic must PRESUPPOSE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD IN ORDER TO DENY THE EXISTENCE OF GOD, or to even discuss the subject.

Which means atheism and agnosticism are self refuting before they even make a single proposal or statement.