[bbyrd009]

Well, but that denies the reality I see before me?
I get the sense of this, and agree with you,
but dislike...the frame, I guess.

I heard a sermon years ago,
about man's free will v angel's lack of it;
revolving around Grace; the upshot being that
Grace = free will.

Maybe I mean to say that in your frame,
the end result sounds...dictatorial, maybe,
when there is a limitless freedom of manifestation, really,
that one may pursue, and still be following the Holy Spirit.

But, as an unpleasant anti-example,
Hitler expressed free will (run amok),
and one cannot say that he is frying in hell
right now with any certainty, as much as
one might like to believe that...hmm.