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Old 06-09-2018, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
Actually, it provides great benefit.

If your spouse looses faith and chooses to leave the union to go gallivanting around with another person, and all property agreements are in place, they can just leave with what is legally theirs. You don't have to pay an attorney thousands of dollars to protect your interests or assets, you've already locked all personal property and assets in under your sole ownership. The unfaithful spouse is also not legally entitled to any of your Social Security.

The break is clean and swift. And you can lock the door behind them and call it a night, get up the next morning, and start your new life without them. You've legally protected yourself.

As Paul said,
1 Corinthians 7:15 (ESV)
15 But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace.
The unbelieving or unfaithful can just leave, the believer is no longer bound in any way to the relationship.

In addition, Paul admonished Christians not to settle matters in the courts of the unbelievers:
I Corinthians 6:1-8 (ESV)
When one of you has a grievance against another, does he dare go to law before the unrighteous instead of the saints? 2 Or do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is to be judged by you, are you incompetent to try trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we are to judge angels? How much more, then, matters pertaining to this life! 4 So if you have such cases, why do you lay them before those who have no standing in the church? 5 I say this to your shame. Can it be that there is no one among you wise enough to settle a dispute between the brothers, 6 but brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers? 7 To have lawsuits at all with one another is already a defeat for you. Why not rather suffer wrong? Why not rather be defrauded? 8 But you yourselves wrong and defraud—even your own brothers!
By taking private ownership of your marriage, you can handle any dispute or divorce in house, among the saints. And as said before, if the unbelieving departs, you can just let them go, being unbound to the union any longer.

Paul never said, hire and attorney and go to court to settle a divorce. Paul actually admonished us to avoid unbelieving courts, and advised that we just allow the unbelieving to depart. This is only possible if one establishes their union privately without involving the state.

So, not having a civil marriage license filed with the state for certification of civil marriage is of great value in protecting one's assets and should one wish to live according to the Scriptures.

But your statement has left me wondering... with no-fault divorce laws in play... what protections does having a "civil marriage" provide that a privately established union can't provide? What security does a civil marriage provide that is greater than what we have in a union established after the manner of the Quakers?

I know you lose the ability to file taxes jointly. But that's really all I can see that is truly of relevance. In fact, when one considers how the civil statutes work in no-fault divorce states, civil marriage leaves one with more liabilities than protections. Because the courts don't care who is at fault or who did what, unless it was criminal. They will simply liquidate assets, divide things as evenly as possible, and grant spousal support to ensure that even an offending spouse maintains their current standard of living on your dime.

If no-fault divorce statutes were not in play, and fault had to be determined by the courts to reward damages, property, and rights regarding children, I'd say civil marriage was indeed a safe way to go. But not any more. The state has made civil marriage the single greatest gamble in one's lifetime.

We know from what God said, the state has nothing to do with uniting a man and woman in marriage...
Matthew 19:6 (ESV)
"So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”
Here, we see that God alone joins a man and woman in marriage. And spiritually speaking, no human authority can establish or dissolve such a union.

It is better to obey God than men.

Very well said.
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