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The Logos was God, yet besides Jehovah there was no God formed (made, or created). I definitely do not agree that God made the Logos. I think that idea leads directly to Arianism and trinitarianism. Both doctrines maintain "the first thing Father did was create/make the Logos, who then created/made everything else". Jehovah becomes Creator by proxy (via the Logos), who is the agent of God creating everything (else).
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This thread points to the link by Mark August in the 1st post. He is pointing out where Arianism and Trinitarianism came from. The early Church believed the Logos was both
WITH GOD and
WAS GOD simultaneously.
As to being
WITH GOD the Logos was born, created, and formed.
Formed:
Phil. 2:5
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, being in the
form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Born:
Col. 1
15Who is the image of the invisible God,
the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Created:
Rev. 3:14
14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the
beginning of the creation of God;
So the Logos was all of this. The distinction never was as Trins teach another God person. Or as Arians teach a begotten Son who was NOT God.
The Logos was
YAH HIMSELF in a visible form.
This Logos later became Jesus Christ.
As to Logos
BEING GOD consider this.
John 1:1
In the BEGINNING was the word (logos) and the word was with God and the word was God.
The literal Greek is:
In the BEGINNING was the word and the word was with God and
GOD was the word.
God himself was the Logos. In the beginning he formed, created, gave birth to a visible image of himself.
Before the beginning no image was needed. There was no one, or nothing else to see God. God was simply omnipresent spirit. This essence was /is to large to be contained by the Galaxies.
1 Kings 8:27
27But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold,
the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
That is why God needed a form. So he could be seen by his creation.
Col. 1:17
17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
God used this form as it were himself. His fullness dwelled there in
visibility. So it was
WITH HIM but it was not
ALL OF HIM.
The rest of him was still everywhere there was anywhere to be.
Jeremiah 23:24
24Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD.
Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
This doctrine only leads to Arianism or Trinitarianism when one tears it away from the doctrine of:
Hear Israel the Lord our God is one Lord. Duet 6:4
It actually
WAS the doctrine taught by the Apostles. But unlearned men rose up and began distorting the truth and inventing a Logos who was not formed from God himself but had been a created Son who was NOT YAH as in the case of Arians.
Or as in the case of Trins and Twins making the Logos into another distinct God person.
It was when this revelation was perverted that other groups began to arise in history. The link to Mark August teaching on this explains this connection quoting what are called the "early church fathers".
Paul taught God made all things by Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 3:9
9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ
Isaiah said YHWH created all things alone and by himself.
24Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens
alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by
myself;
Both of these truths are true when we realize the first thing God ever made was a form, image, spiritual body to manifest himself through.
That was the Logos later revealed by the name Jesus Christ!