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Old 11-16-2017, 09:23 AM
n david n david is offline
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Re: Pre trib rapture teaching is heresy

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple View Post
So something the APOSTLE Paul taught and commanded the Church was
neither salvific or important?

Especially something Paul prefaced by saying:


No wonder the Churches are so spiritually bankrupt.
Mike, I get that you believe a person will split hell wide open for having the wrong belief of when events will happen.

Now, you keep posting Paul's statement, "Let no man deceive you," in an attempt to claim that is some sort of a doctrinal message from Paul. It's not.

Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
"We beseech you, brethren." Paul emphasizing the importance of what he's about to tell his audience.

That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
Paul is trying to calm down his audience, who (from this) seem to have been upset and troubled by claims from others that "the day of Christ is at hand." Similar to these wackos who put dates to events every year or so, claiming Jesus is coming back on this day or the world is ending on this day.

Paul is simply saying: stay calm; don't be troubled, don't fret, worry or fear what is being said or written claiming the day of Christ is at hand.

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Now here's the money verse -- the verse you keep posting, claiming THIS is doctrine and THIS is the proof that anyone who doesn't hold the belief MtD holds is DAMNED and CONDEMNED to hell.

Except it isn't [doctrine] and it doesn't [d a m n or condemn].

Again, context matters. Reading comprehension matters. Paul is telling his audience to stop paying attention to the nut jobs and wackos who are running around claiming the day of Christ is at hand.

And when Paul says "Let no man deceive you by any means," he's not speaking of damnation or some doctrine. Paul is simply saying, don't let these wackos fool you.

You can claim all you want that what Paul wrote is salvific, but it is not. It's not even doctrine. It's Paul telling people to calm down and stop believing the nut jobs putting a date to everything.

What I find incredible is that you condemn to hell people who are baptized in Jesus name, filled with the Holy Ghost and living holy lives who may not believe the same as you re: the end time ---

YET you worship at the altar of Misty Edwards and Mike Bickel's IHOP - Trinitarians who engage in and promote new age and occult practices.

"And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?"

Last edited by n david; 11-16-2017 at 09:46 AM.
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