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Old 12-31-2007, 10:09 AM
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what is your opinion of this scripture

Romans 11:29 >>


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New American Standard Bible (©1995)
for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
God never changes his mind when he gives gifts or when he calls someone.

King James Bible
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

American Standard Version
For the gifts and the calling of God are not repented of.

Bible in Basic English
Because God's selection and his mercies may not be changed.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance.

Darby Bible Translation
For the gifts and the calling of God are not subject to repentance.

English Revised Version
For the gifts and the calling of God are without repentance.

Tyndale New Testament
For verily the gifts and calling of God are such, that it cannot repent him of them,

Weymouth New Testament
For God does not repent of His free gifts nor of His call;

Webster's Bible Translation
For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

World English Bible
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

Young's Literal Translation
for unrepented of are the gifts and the calling of God
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I have my opinion but am wondering yours?
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:24 AM
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What is the context in which this promise was given? That will give you the answer.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:28 AM
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Romans 11


1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,
3Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
8(According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
9And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.
20Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
24For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again? 36For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:30 AM
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It means that God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:32 AM
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It means that God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
In the context of this passage it's referring to the children of Israel and the promises God made to them.
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I have my opinion but am wondering yours?
Sister Alvear:
Greetings and I pray you have the most blessed and productive year ever, in your field of labor!

I believe the scripture in question means that God doesn't ever change his mind about that gift and calling He places in someone's life [and that person shouldn't either!]

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Sister Alvear:
Greetings and I pray you have the most blessed and productive year ever, in your field of labor!

I believe the scripture in question means that God doesn't ever change his mind about that gift and calling He places in someone's life [and that person shouldn't either!]

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Curious, where do you find that in a personal basis from this Scripture? Remember context.
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I understand the setting of the scripture but does it apply only to the Jews or does it have anything to do with us today and the gifts and the callings that have been given to the church and each person?
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In context, Paul was saying that the Jews were experiencing a temporary hardening of the heart so that the Gentiles could benefit from God's promises, but since he already offered a promise to them and since God does not change, his gifts and call are irrevocable, and that they too will receive mercy just as the Gentiles did.
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