Is The Son just a man?

[Praxeas]

Please vote.

[Hoovie]

This question embodies key elements of the Oneness/Trinity debate and I have noticed how one answers this question often effects how they see non-Onenss Christians.

[Bro-Larry]

"Jesus" was both God and man, but when you refer to "The Son" then you are referring to strictly His manhood. "The Son" was the only man who was ever begotten (fathered) by God the Father. He was born of a woman, so He was a man. He walked like a man, talked like a man, got tired like a man, He got hungry like a man, He was annoyed by faithless people like a man, He sometimes got angry like a man. He was tempted to sin like a man. He had to go to sleep sometimes like a man. He had to go to the bathroom like a man.

If He in any way had operated as God, while He was here on Earth, in flesh, then He would have disqualified Himself as our substitute sacrifice. He was a man, anointed of the Holy Ghost, (Lk 3:22) and He stood in the Office of a Prophet. He operated exactly like you and I are equipted to operate once we have been anointed of the Holy Ghost.

He had to lay aside His "Godness" until He had accomplished the work of Redemption. Hebrews 1:8 addresses the Son as God, but this was after He had purged our sins and was sat down on the right hand of Majesty on high. (Heb 1:3)

[Praxeas]

When you refer to the Son you are referring to God incarnate, Deity and Humanity.

Additionally if the Son is just a man that God is inside of then that is really a unitarian view, not Oneness.

The bible says of the Son "you shall call His name Jesus". By making the Son just a man and saying the Father is also Jesus but is God you really have two Jesus's.

If the SOn is someone other than God, that is two persons, one God and one man.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

"Jesus" was both God and man, but when you refer to "The Son" then you are referring to strictly His manhood. "The Son" was the only man who was ever begotten (fathered) by God the Father. He was born of a woman, so He was a man. He walked like a man, talked like a man, got tired like a man, He got hungry like a man, He was annoyed by faithless people like a man, He sometimes got angry like a man. He was tempted to sin like a man. He had to go to sleep sometimes like a man. He had to go to the bathroom like a man.

If He in any way had operated as God, while He was here on Earth, in flesh, then He would have disqualified Himself as our substitute sacrifice. He was a man, anointed of the Holy Ghost, (Lk 3:22) and He stood in the Office of a Prophet. He operated exactly like you and I are equipted to operate once we have been anointed of the Holy Ghost.

He had to lay aside His "Godness" until He had accomplished the work of Redemption. Hebrews 1:8 addresses the Son as God, but this was after He had purged our sins and was sat down on the right hand of Majesty on high. (Heb 1:3)

Not operating as God here on earth does not make him someone other than God though. Who was the Son? God or someone other than God?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

"Jesus" was both God and man, but when you refer to "The Son" then you are referring to strictly His manhood. "The Son" was the only man who was ever begotten (fathered) by God the Father. He was born of a woman, so He was a man. He walked like a man, talked like a man, got tired like a man, He got hungry like a man, He was annoyed by faithless people like a man, He sometimes got angry like a man. He was tempted to sin like a man. He had to go to sleep sometimes like a man. He had to go to the bathroom like a man.

If He in any way had operated as God, while He was here on Earth, in flesh, then He would have disqualified Himself as our substitute sacrifice. He was a man, anointed of the Holy Ghost, (Lk 3:22) and He stood in the Office of a Prophet. He operated exactly like you and I are equipted to operate once we have been anointed of the Holy Ghost.

He had to lay aside His "Godness" until He had accomplished the work of Redemption. Hebrews 1:8 addresses the Son as God, but this was after He had purged our sins and was sat down on the right hand of Majesty on high. (Heb 1:3)

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[Hoovie]

Great is the mystery. The divinity of the Son was evident throughout His earthly ministry.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Great is the mystery. The divinity of the Son was evident throughout His earthly ministry.

Even if not, in acts, it was the Son that spoke and said "Before Abraham was, I AM". It was the Son that John said was the Logos made flesh and said the Logos was God. Thomas stood before the Son and confessed "The Lord of me and the God of me (greek)"

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Even if not, in acts, it was the Son that spoke and said "Before Abraham was, I AM". It was the Son that John said was the Logos made flesh and said the Logos was God. Thomas stood before the Son and confessed "The Lord of me and the God of me (greek)"

Indeed.

In an alternate view, Christ was the Son when acting as a man, and the Father when performing and speaking the divine.

Of course that utterly destroys the hypostatic union of Christ, and either makes him an actor or scitsofrenic.

[Sister Alvear]

I like 1 John 1:1...