When does lying become lying?

[BeenThinkin]

Several years ago Rev B. E. Echols wrote a book about lying. When you finished reading the book, you were afraid to open your mouth ... afraid it might be considered a lie.

In today's society, it seems like lying has become a way of life for so many. Politicians have resorted to the game of lying like never before. President Nixon got in trouble for one lie, which eventually cost him his presidency. The current President seems to use lying daily. Now, liberals and Obama protectors, go ahead and get mad at me but there are scores of proven occasions where Pres. Obama has out and out not told the truth.

My next question is this... “When a liberal takes up for Obama in his lies does that make the liberal a liar, too?” Let me ask another question, "Shouldn't we be so very careful in how we take up for liars?"

Now you can get mad at me for asking, but how does God look at us? When does lying become lying to Him?

The Bible plainly tells us how God looks at lying. ...... Re 21:8* But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I find it interesting that the scriptures said, “the fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters and ALL liars shall have their part.....” Why was the emphasis on liars more severe than the rest of the guilty? (ALL!)

Do we unconsiciously lie? Example! Someone drives up at our home and we say to the family, “Oh no, look who just drove up. I don’t have time to mess with them! I wish they had not come by here!” Then we go to the door and open it saying, “Well hello! It’s so good to see you. Come on in! So glad you stopped by.”

So, my question again, “When does lying become lying?” Do people unconsciously think they can get by? God help me always speak the truth, in love! Just askin'

Been Thinkin

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Several years ago Rev B. E. Echols wrote a book about lying. When you finished reading the book, you were afraid to open your mouth ... afraid it might be considered a lie.

In today's society, it seems like lying has become a way of life for so many. Politicians have resorted to the game of lying like never before. President Nixon got in trouble for one lie, which eventually cost him his presidency. The current President seems to use lying daily. Now, liberals and Obama protectors, go ahead and get mad at me but there are scores of proven occasions where Pres. Obama has out and out not told the truth.

My next question is this... “When a liberal takes up for Obama in his lies does that make the liberal a liar, too?” Let me ask another question, "Shouldn't we be so very careful in how we take up for liars?"

Now you can get mad at me for asking, but how does God look at us? When does lying become lying to Him?

The Bible plainly tells us how God looks at lying. ...... Re 21:8* But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I find it interesting that the scriptures said, “the fearful, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters and ALL liars shall have their part.....” Why was the emphasis on liars more severe than the rest of the guilty? (ALL!)

Do we unconsiciously lie? Example! Someone drives up at our home and we say to the family, “Oh no, look who just drove up. I don’t have time to mess with them! I wish they had not come by here!” Then we go to the door and open it saying, “Well hello! It’s so good to see you. Come on in! So glad you stopped by.”

So, my question again, “When does lying become lying?” Do people unconsciously think they can get by? God help me always speak the truth, in love! Just askin'

Been Thinkin

Using your example merely because you made it (conservatives lie too you know)...if Obama lies and his supporters know he is lying and they perpetuate the same lie, covering for him, then they are lying too

A Lie is an intentional attempt to deceive someone else

[berkeley]

When I was young I had a serious issue with lying. I couldn't lie without raping my conscience. Today it is easier to lie but it's not a practice. There's the occasional "white lie," but even that bothers me to a great degree. When I am in a serious conversation and I can tell that someone is lying to me I make the statement "Tell me the truth whatever the truth is. Lying to me upsets me more than the truth that you think I don't want to hear." Somewot off topic but not completely off topic, this ties in with speaking idle words and foolish jesting, something that has been on my mind a whole lot lately. But hey, can't be serious at all these days or YOU have some sort of a problem.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Using your example merely because you made it (conservatives lie too you know)...if Obama lies and his supporters know he is lying and they perpetuate the same lie, covering for him, then they are lying too

A Lie is an intentional attempt to deceive someone else

Praxeas, you're right, conservatives do lie as well, but probably not in shielding or covering for Obama. But, they do lie as well, maybe even in trying to put Obama down!

But, my questions I guess are these, "Is there any concern about lying anymore? Is it an accepted thing to do? To what extent do we get by with it? Are we fooling ourselves?"

BT

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Praxeas, you're right, conservatives do lie as well, but probably not in shielding or covering for Obama. But, they do lie as well, maybe even in trying to put Obama down!

But, my questions I guess are these, "Is there any concern about lying anymore? Is it an accepted thing to do? To what extent do we get by with it? Are we fooling ourselves?"

BT

There should be a huge concern. Trust or lack of Trust is one of the biggest issues our nation faces.

Youth don't trust the police. Many of us don't trust politicians anymore based on the lies of other politicians. Nations can't trust nations. Husbands and wives can't trust each other. Kids cheat on tests.

Lack of trust is one of the reasons for breakdown in society.

[BeenThinkin]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

There should be a huge concern. Trust or lack of Trust is one of the biggest issues our nation faces.

Youth don't trust the police. Many of us don't trust politicians anymore based on the lies of other politicians. Nations can't trust nations. Husbands and wives can't trust each other. Kids cheat on tests.

Lack of trust is one of the reasons for breakdown in society.

But, that lack of trust in the world today goes beyond lying don't you think? Lying certainly is a part of the problem but the lack of trust, I think, goes far beyond lying.
What you say?

BT

[NotforSale]

BT, this is a great subject.

One of the biggest forms of lying in the World is done over the Pulpit. When we say, "God told me", we have lied. Whenever something is said that cannot be verified, it's a lie until proven.

IMO, Religion is a drug which feeds the lying monster in all of us. We throw people in Hell, but the fact is we don't know if they went to Hell. What's interesting in Faith is the lie grows with anger. When people don't "Line Up", we go deeper and deeper into the spectral dimension no one can see for a conclusion to the matter.

Faith becomes no different than Politics; when numbers dwindle (Lost votes), the lying goes ballistic and the innocent are condemned in a desperate attempt to save the sinking ship.

Presumption is one of the biggest sins in Church, and people feed off of gossip like it’s pure fact. We hide behind hairdos, conservative ethics, and big name Celebrities in Faith, all while the lies drip from our itching ears and minds, where the Witch hunt never ends.

[Thinker]

[QUOTE=NotforSale;1049997]BT, this is a great subject.


IMO, Religion is a drug which feeds the lying monster in all of us. QUOTE]


In all of us??? thats a lot of people... you know everyone? Or are you lying?..





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[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Do we unconsiciously lie? Example! Someone drives up at our home and we say to the family, “Oh no, look who just drove up. I don’t have time to mess with them! I wish they had not come by here!” Then we go to the door and open it saying, “Well hello! It’s so good to see you. Come on in! So glad you stopped by.”
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This reminds me of Denver Stanford! He uses this analogy when teaching his series, I am a SoulWinner.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

But, that lack of trust in the world today goes beyond lying don't you think? Lying certainly is a part of the problem but the lack of trust, I think, goes far beyond lying.
What you say?

BT

lying contributes to it.