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11-01-2012, 03:40 AM
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Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney Win
From an article in the Wall Street Journal:
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It comes down to numbers. And in the final days of this presidential race, from polling data to early voting, they favor Mitt Romney.
He maintains a small but persistent polling edge. As of yesterday afternoon, there had been 31 national surveys in the previous seven days. Mr. Romney led in 19, President Obama in seven, and five were tied. Mr. Romney averaged 48.4%; Mr. Obama, 47.2%. The GOP challenger was at or above 50% in 10 polls, Mr. Obama in none.
The number that may matter the most is Mr. Obama's 47.2% share. As the incumbent, he's likely to find that number going into Election Day is a percentage point or so below what he gets.
For example, in 2004 President George W. Bush had 49% in the final Gallup likely-voter track; he received 50.7% on Election Day. In 1996, President Clinton was at 48% in the last Gallup; he got 49.2% at the polls. And in 1992, President George H.W. Bush was at 37% in the closing Gallup; he collected 37.5% in the balloting.
One potentially dispositive question is what mix of Republicans and Democrats will show up this election. On Friday last week, Gallup hinted at the partisan makeup of the 2012 electorate with a small chart buried at the end of its daily tracking report. Based on all its October polling, Gallup suggested that this year's turnout might be 36% Republican to 35% Democratic, compared with 39% Democratic and 29% Republican in 2008, and 39% Republican and 37% Democratic in 2004. If accurate, this would be real trouble for Mr. Obama, since Mr. Romney has consistently led among independents in most October surveys.
Gallup delivered some additional bad news to Mr. Obama on early voting. Through Sunday, 15% of those surveyed said they had already cast a ballot either in person or absentee. They broke for Mr. Romney, 52% to 46%. The 63% who said they planned to vote on Election Day similarly supported Mr. Romney, 51% to 45%.
Furthermore, in battleground states, the edge in early and absentee vote turnout that propelled Democrats to victory in 2008 has clearly been eroded, cut in half according to a Republican National Committee summary.
But doesn't it all come down to the all-important Buckeye State? Here, too, the early voting news isn't encouraging for the president.
Adrian Gray, who oversaw the Bush 2004 voter-contact operation and is now a policy analyst for a New York investment firm, makes the point that as of Tuesday, 530,813 Ohio Democrats had voted early or had requested or cast an absentee ballot. That's down 181,275 from four years ago. But 448,357 Ohio Republicans had voted early or had requested or cast an absentee ballot, up 75,858 from the last presidential election.
That 257,133-vote swing almost wipes out Mr. Obama's 2008 Ohio victory margin of 262,224. Since most observers expect Republicans to win Election Day turnout, these early vote numbers point toward a Romney victory in Ohio. They are also evidence that Scott Jennings, my former White House colleague and now Romney Ohio campaign director, was accurate when he told me that the Buckeye GOP effort is larger than the massive Bush 2004 get-out-the-vote operation.
Democrats explain away those numbers by saying that they are turning out new young Ohio voters. But I asked Kelly Nallen, the America Crossroads data maven, about this. She points out that there are 12,612 GOP "millennials" (voters aged 18-29) who've voted early compared with 9,501 Democratic millennials.
Are Democrats bringing out episodic voters who might not otherwise turn out? Not according to Ms. Nallen. She says that about 90% of each party's early voters so far had also voted in three of the past four Ohio elections. Democrats also suggest they are bringing Obama-leaning independents to polls. But since Mr. Romney has led among independents in nine of the 13 Ohio polls conducted since the first debate, the likelihood is that the GOP is doing as good a job in turning out their independent supporters as Democrats are in turning out theirs.
Desperate Democrats are now hanging their hopes on a new Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News poll showing the president with a five-point Ohio lead. But that survey gives Democrats a +8 advantage in turnout, the same advantage Democrats had in 2008. That assumption is, to put it gently, absurd.
In addition to the data, the anecdotal and intangible evidence—from crowd sizes to each side's closing arguments—give the sense that the odds favor Mr. Romney. They do. My prediction: Sometime after the cock crows on the morning of Nov. 7, Mitt Romney will be declared America's 45th president. Let's call it 51%-48%, with Mr. Romney carrying at least 279 Electoral College votes, probably more.
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11-01-2012, 05:22 AM
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Re: Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney
I am cautiously optimistic about Nov 6th. It is clearly within Romney's grasp to take our country back from Obama and the left, but I have a feeling it will be very close. I want it to be a landslide, but I don't think it will be that way. Obama could very well still take this thing. I hope that if he does win re-election that the GOP can at least cut into the Dem numbers or completely re-take the Senate. Obama doesn't scare me as much if he has to deal with a completely GOP Congress.
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11-01-2012, 06:09 AM
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Re: Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney
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I am cautiously optimistic about Nov 6th. It is clearly within Romney's grasp to take our country back from Obama and the left, but I have a feeling it will be very close. I want it to be a landslide, but I don't think it will be that way. Obama could very well still take this thing. I hope that if he does win re-election that the GOP can at least cut into the Dem numbers or completely re-take the Senate. Obama doesn't scare me as much if he has to deal with a completely GOP Congress.
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Outside of all the op-eds, Gallup still predicts Obama to win. I read a comment I agree with - "The GOP served him a softball in Romney."
Even with all of this, I still believe there is a real fear of an Obama re-election. I'm not really sure he will win.
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11-01-2012, 06:19 AM
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Re: Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney
That makes no sense whatsoever. Gallup predicts Obama wins, yet the last Gallup likely voter poll has Romney up by 5. Gallup needs to make up their minds.
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11-01-2012, 06:28 AM
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Re: Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney
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That makes no sense whatsoever. Gallup predicts Obama wins, yet the last Gallup likely voter poll has Romney up by 5. Gallup needs to make up their minds.
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Yes, it's all a bit confusing. I was watching InTrade during the primaries and they predicted, accurately, at what point in time each of the other candidates in the running would drop out of the race.
So, now I am reading all of these op-eds and InTrade is not moving in Romney's direction. A little uptick today and that could change in the coming days ahead, but nonetheless, Romney has never gotten more than 10 points close to Obama.
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11-01-2012, 08:55 AM
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Re: Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney
InTrade is basically collective wisdom. Which makes it sometimes accurate, sometimes not. The University of Colorado study has never been wrong since 1980. I'd go with a 100% track record versus a 50%, 60% or 70% accuracy record.
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11-01-2012, 09:04 AM
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Re: Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney
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InTrade is basically collective wisdom. Which makes it sometimes accurate, sometimes not. The University of Colorado study has never been wrong since 1980. I'd go with a 100% track record versus a 50%, 60% or 70% accuracy record.
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It isn't going to matter one way or another. The RNC proved they can and will squelch any dissenting voice at Convention. If you are happy and supportive of that, I question your loyalty to the liberty and freedom of our country.
What is so stupid is that the people on the floor wanted their candidate to win so badly, they didn't care to see what was really happening to them. Go figure.
Don't give me your song and dance about not being a party loyalist, you are a dyed in the wool Republican. Your red runs deep.
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11-01-2012, 09:05 AM
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Re: Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney
Got a feeling that Obama will win, hope it is just indigestion!
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11-01-2012, 09:06 AM
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Re: Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney
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It isn't going to matter one way or another. The RNC proved they can and will squelch any dissenting voice at Convention. If you are happy and supportive of that, I question your loyalty to the liberty and freedom of our country.
What is so stupid is that the people on the floor wanted their candidate to win so badly, they didn't care to see what was really happening to them. Go figure.
Don't give me your song and dance about not being a party loyalist, you are a dyed in the wool Republican. Your red runs deep. 
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That's why I've voted for Democrats in local and State elections, cause I'm so party line. Keep smoking the dope.
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11-01-2012, 09:12 AM
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Re: Obama In Trouble: The Numbers Point To Romney
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That's why I've voted for Democrats in local and State elections, cause I'm so party line. Keep smoking the dope.
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So you say.
And BTW, a while back you were dissing the Paul supporters for how some of them looked. I wanted you to know that I was joking with you about your avatar photo making you look like a hick. I've wanted to tell you that. I was just picking at you and not serious. I'm not apologizing, of course, just setting the record straight.
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