Who You Are–What You Have Received

[renee819]

Who You Are–What You Have Received.

I think, (by observation) that many Pentecostal’s are like I was in my teen’s, when I received the Holy Ghost.

I thought, “Ah, now all I have to do, is go to church, listen to the preacher, dress right, try to be good. And I’m going to heaven.”

Isn’t that it?

In my late 20's or early 30's God begin to stir me up, thru reading my Bible at home.
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Ye shall receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon you.”

POWER FOR WHAT?

For many it is ‘home-church-work”—home-church-work”—‘home -church-work’ While the world is going to ‘the lake of fire’ in a handbasket, downhill. And now I see the Pentecostal Denomination, in the same fix.

The Pastor, that we had in my teens’ taught, “ you don’t go out preaching to the sinners. That’s my job. You bring them to church and I will do the preaching.”
Is that TRUTH? No.

Was these scripture’s just for the 12?

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover

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With two or three witness’s let every word be established. Did the early church do that?

Acts 8:4 Therefore they that were scattered abroad went every where preaching the word

Who was scattered? The saints. The Apostles stayed in Jerusalem.

God did not give us Holy Ghost Power, to be squashed down, pushed down and shut up.
God did not give us Holy Ghost Power, to sit in church, looking at the back of someones head.

I have observed over the years, that most Pentecostal men are too busy making a living to study God’s word at home. They only know what is taught by their Pastor. Which does not equip them to serve. On that note, the Holy Ghost does the equipping, but we must make ourselves available, to show ourselves approved by rightly dividing the word.

Pentecostal women have the same problems, with the added burden of being bound by dress codes. Yes, Just as the Law was binding to Israel, any man-made laws, i the church, are just as binding.
How many thousands of sermons have been preached about women’s dress and hair, while they should have been teaching them, how to win the lost? And most of all how to love as 1 Cor 13.

So are we to dress in skimpy, seductive clothing like the world? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
And I have seen, some Pentecostal women, dress’s long, long sleeves, skin tight and just as seductive as the world. And no way was I intending to get on this subject, so will drop it here.

I’ve been one of the worst offenders of all, in that, knowing what God had revealed to me, I mostly kept my mouth shut, until I finally left the church. Because, the few times that I spoke up, I was squashed down.

But this is not about me, it’s about you. Do you REALLY understand, that if you have been filled with the Holy Ghost, you have, “God’s divine nature’ inside of you? You have the same Power inside of you, that the early church had.

2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust

Did God give you His divine nature, just to keep quit? Just for the purpose of ‘home-church- work?

With that ‘divine nature’ He gave you gifts of the Spirit.
Who is supposed to guide the church? THE HOLY GHOST.
God gave His gifts to those, that have the Holy Ghost in order to guide the church. Every church should have all 9 gifts, not just speaking in unknown tongues and interpretation. Every home group should have all 9 gifts. If they don’t they should pray until God sends them.

Every member should be free to speak in church, i the right order, and let the others judge.

How should a meeting go?

1 Corinthians 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

Well, this is getting to long. Please leave your comments. Let's talk about it.

[AreYouReady?]

I agree sister. There is one thing that I find troubling is that some pastors want to take lordship over a man's home.

The following is not about UPC or any oneness church at all. It is simply what happened in this independent church.
Our neighbor moved all the way from Montana to here simply because his 'pastor' told him to. He used to be in the occult before Christ saved him. This man, who worked as a forestry agent at one time, had a business stump grinding. He got very sick from encephalitis (mosquito born) and was not expected to live. But he did. And after he recuperated, he was kicked out of his church by the pastor who decided that during his illness he was still occultic. His wife continued to attend that church system. When she developed breast cancer, the pastor told her what kind of treatment she was going to accept and what kind she will not accept. He did not allow her husband to have any input. She preferred the pastor over her husband and did everything the pastor told her to do.
Her husband lived with it because he loved her.

But this is not what Paul said the order of the home should be.

This woman ended up finally leaving that church years later and they started going to a Baptist church together.

Leadership in Pentecost sometimes shoot themselves in the foot when they want to take on more power for themselves instead of teaching Holy Ghost filled believers about the power they have in Christ to reach out to a lost and dying world.

Men are the spiritual leaders in their home. It does not mean they are allowed to be abusive. It just means that they are fully equipped by the power of the Holy Ghost to teach their family while in prayer to God to show them truth as they teach it.

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I agree sister. There is one thing that I find troubling is that some pastors want to take lordship over a man's home.

The following is not about UPC or any oneness church at all. It is simply what happened in this independent church.
Our neighbor moved all the way from Montana to here simply because his 'pastor' told him to. He used to be in the occult before Christ saved him. This man, who worked as a forestry agent at one time, had a business stump grinding. He got very sick from encephalitis (mosquito born) and was not expected to live. But he did. And after he recuperated, he was kicked out of his church by the pastor who decided that during his illness he was still occultic. His wife continued to attend that church system. When she developed breast cancer, the pastor told her what kind of treatment she was going to accept and what kind she will not accept. He did not allow her husband to have any input. She preferred the pastor over her husband and did everything the pastor told her to do.
Her husband lived with it because he loved her.

But this is not what Paul said the order of the home should be.

This woman ended up finally leaving that church years later and they started going to a Baptist church together.

Leadership in Pentecost sometimes shoot themselves in the foot when they want to take on more power for themselves instead of teaching Holy Ghost filled believers about the power they have in Christ to reach out to a lost and dying world.

Men are the spiritual leaders in their home. It does not mean they are allowed to be abusive. It just means that they are fully equipped by the power of the Holy Ghost to teach their family while in prayer to God to show them truth as they teach it.

ARY its funny you mention this but I have seen all type of things in Pentecostal churches and I mean all churches not just Oneness. There is just something about Pentecostal churches and I just can't put my finger on it.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

I agree sister. There is one thing that I find troubling is that some pastors want to take lordship over a man's home.

The following is not about UPC or any oneness church at all. It is simply what happened in this independent church.
Our neighbor moved all the way from Montana to here simply because his 'pastor' told him to. He used to be in the occult before Christ saved him. This man, who worked as a forestry agent at one time, had a business stump grinding. He got very sick from encephalitis (mosquito born) and was not expected to live. But he did. And after he recuperated, he was kicked out of his church by the pastor who decided that during his illness he was still occultic. His wife continued to attend that church system. When she developed breast cancer, the pastor told her what kind of treatment she was going to accept and what kind she will not accept. He did not allow her husband to have any input. She preferred the pastor over her husband and did everything the pastor told her to do.
Her husband lived with it because he loved her.

But this is not what Paul said the order of the home should be.

This woman ended up finally leaving that church years later and they started going to a Baptist church together.

Leadership in Pentecost sometimes shoot themselves in the foot when they want to take on more power for themselves instead of teaching Holy Ghost filled believers about the power they have in Christ to reach out to a lost and dying world.

Men are the spiritual leaders in their home. It does not mean they are allowed to be abusive. It just means that they are fully equipped by the power of the Holy Ghost to teach their family while in prayer to God to show them truth as they teach it.

Amen! We had a new Pastor come in like that once, he didn't last long.

People should not allow it. They use the scripture, “Touch not my anointed.” To protect themselves. Not realizing they are using it out of context, because all Holy Ghost filled people, are anointed by the Holy Ghost.

And I’m not for Pastor bashing, I did have some good one’s. But, the only way that Pastor’s are going to wake up, is when people that are close to God, tell them the truth.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

ARY its funny you mention this but I have seen all type of things in Pentecostal churches and I mean all churches not just Oneness. There is just something about Pentecostal churches and I just can't put my finger on it.

Navy, I think we can put the finger on the problem by this quote which is also what is wrong with our government. And a scripture.

“Power corrupts, and absolute power, corrupts absolutely.” Some Pastors think they are little Kings over a little Kingdom. And if the can build the church bigger then they can be a bigger King.

Matthew 20:25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many

Matthew 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.
12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by navygoat1998

ARY its funny you mention this but I have seen all type of things in Pentecostal churches and I mean all churches not just Oneness. There is just something about Pentecostal churches and I just can't put my finger on it.

Navy, can you elaborate just a little when you made the statement above about putting your finger on it?

If I go to another church, it will have to be a spirit-filled, full gospel church. Is that what you mean?

[navygoat1998]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Navy, can you elaborate just a little when you made the statement above about putting your finger on it?

If I go to another church, it will have to be a spirit-filled, full gospel church. Is that what you mean?

I don't want to paint with a broad brush but my experiences has been in smaller Pentecostal churches that those in leadership tend to try headship control over the congregation and I am not sure why. I have to be honest it is not just UPC or Oneness.

We always go to a Spirit filled church as well.

[renee819]

Who are we?

When Adam and Eve sinned, the Spirit of God left them. They then were filled with the ‘spirit of this world” which is the same spirit that is in Satan. Satan had it in his spirit, to take over this world, and have everyone worship him as God. He will get his wish for 3.5 yrs, when he sits on a throne with the Beast and False prophet.

The point is, that same spirit is in every child born in this world, until they are born again.
Every person is a child of the Devil, until they are filled with the Holy Ghost. That is why you don’t have to do anything to go to the Lake of Fire. But you must take steps, to be born again.

Jesus wasn’t just calling the Jews names, when He told them “they were the children of the Devil.”

And what is that spirit, that lives inside?

1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world

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God is not talking about, the world as the mountains, oceans, green grass and trees. He is talking about the ‘spirit of this world’ that spirit, that carnal nature that came from the Devil, and feeds,

“the lust of the flesh” the desire to do. Most think of this as sexual sins, and it is, but any abnormal desire like overeat, even overwork, drunkenness, drug addiction, etc,

“Lust of the eyes”---- we are all guilty. The desire to possess. Materialism. And when we get what we want, then we want more.

“Pride of life” this life— the desire for power, pride and prestige. Thbrothers.is is what caused Satan, to want to ascend above the Throne of God. This is what feeds Politicians. or anyone that wants to rise up above the ranks of their brothers.

When we are born again, the ties to these things are cut. We have a divine nature, we are a New Creature, a New Creation. However, we must feed the New Creation, and starve the ‘spirit of this world” the carnal thoughts and actions. If we don’t get rid of the carnal, the ‘spirit of this world will creep right back in.

Romans 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.
21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.
22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life

Even though we have the divine nature inside, if we don’t feed that divine nature with God’s Word, prayer and love, we can’t live in a vacuum, and the carnal nature will creep back in.

I'm probably not telling you anything that you have not heard before, but sometimes we need to be reminded.

We are no longer Children of the Devil, but Children of God, and He loved us enough to come down suffer and rise again so the He could send the Holy Ghost down to us, in order that for the first time in history, since Pentecost, we can be born again

WE ARE BLEST.

[AreYouReady?]

Of all the lusts that you mentioned, my personal opinion is that the pride of life is the must destructive of all. When we find ourselves in lofty positions of any occupation, it opens us up to abusing others, thus the potential to bring God's wrath down upon us.