Dispensationalism undermines the gospel

[Amanah]

I would love to have a better understanding of how Dispensationalism contradicts scripture and undermines the gospel.

I have a few thoughts on the subject.

Pentecost broke down the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile making the gospel for all people.

Dispensationalism creates a distinction in the plan of salvation for Jew and Gentile therefore is contrary to the gospel.

Rapture theory replaces the blessed hope of the resurrection, which is contrary to the gospel.

The new covenant is made with the houses of Israel and Judah, which dispensationalism doesn't teach.

[coksiw]

How the rapture replaces the hope of resurrection? Did I miss something?
As far as I know that’s not the case.

[Amanah]

I think rapture theory teaches that there is a rapture before the first resurrection.

1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 are the first Resurrection mentioned in Revelation 20:4-6, which states:

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither his mark upon their foreheads or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The Gospel includes the redemption of our bodies:

Paul writes in Romans 8:23, "And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies."

This verse highlights that our salvation is not just spiritual, but also physical. Our bodies, which are subject to decay and death, will be redeemed and transformed into glorified bodies, fit for eternal life with God.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

How the rapture replaces the hope of resurrection? Did I miss something?
As far as I know that’s not the case.

Do you consider this verse to be dealing with the rapture?

I know dispensationalism as it is currently has morphed into different forms. Yet, this verse speaking of the dead in Christ rising and meeting the alive saints in the air and clouds. Is used by Classical Dispensationalists for the Rapture. It combines a resurrection of dead saints with alive saints. There are some who teach that even though this is the rapture. Jesus doesn't come to the earth. He is rapturing the dead saints from their graves with the live saints. But, at a later date will return with all of the saints He previously had raptured at a later time.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

[coksiw]

Hmm, are you sure that’s what the rapture teaching is?

As far as I know rapture is the first resurrection. The timeline is:

1. Resurrection, going to heaven in glorified bodies to celebrate the wedding of the lamb and the bride
2. 7 years later, come back to earth, in the battle of Armagedon
3. Reign with Christ for 1000 years


I didn’t know there was another rapture teaching negating that the resurrection happens at the rapture.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Do you consider this verse to be dealing with the rapture?

I know dispensationalism as it is currently has morphed into different forms. Yet, this verse speaking of the dead in Christ rising and meeting the alive saints in the air and clouds. Is used by Classical Dispensationalists for the Rapture. It combines a resurrection of dead saints with alive saints. There are some who teach that even though this is the rapture. Jesus doesn't come to the earth. He is rapturing the dead saints from their graves with the live saints. But, at a later date will return with all of the saints He previously had raptured at a later time.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-18

"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

Yup, that’s how the rapture teaching interprets that verse.

The rapture doctrine is basically pre-trib or mid-trib.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Yup, that’s how the rapture teaching interprets that verse.

The rapture doctrine is basically pre-trib or mid-trib.

Yep

[coksiw]

Sister,
I think the greatest negative impact of the dispensationalism doctrine has been in how its followers interpret the past events in the Scriptures, and therefore, how they end up applying them to their lives.

I am not sure how much their view of eschatology have a real negative impact on their day to day basis. As long as they believe in the return of Christ and the resurrection, there is hope.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Hmm, are you sure that’s what the rapture teaching is?

As far as I know rapture is the first resurrection. The timeline is:

1. Resurrection, going to heaven in glorified bodies to celebrate the wedding of the lamb and the bride
2. 7 years later, come back to earth, in the battle of Armagedon
3. Reign with Christ for 1000 years


I didn’t know there was another rapture teaching negating that the resurrection happens at the rapture.

Do you believe there are people on earth during the tribulation who will be saved?

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by coksiw

Sister,
I think the greatest negative impact of the dispensationalism doctrine has been in how its followers interpret the past events in the Scriptures, and therefore, how they end up applying them to their lives.

I am not sure how much their view of eschatology have a real negative impact on their day to day basis. As long as they believe in the return of Christ and the resurrection, there is hope.