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Old 02-14-2025, 05:43 AM
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Jesus in the festivals

Jesus in the Leviticus 23 Festivals:

First coming:
*Passover: 14th day of 1st month (Jesus crucified)
*Unleavened bread: starts on the 15th, lasts 7 days (Jesus buried)
*First Fruits: the day after the Sabbath following Passover (Jesus the first fruits of the resurrection)
*Pentecost: The Sunday after the 7 weeks following First fruits

Second coming:
*Trumpets: 1st day of 7th month (Jesus return)
*Atonement: 10th day of 7th month (Serpent bound)
*Tabernacles: 15th day of 7th month (Jesus Tabernacles with us for A thousand years)
*Eighth great day (eternity)
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Jesus in the Leviticus 23 Festivals:

First coming:
*Passover: 14th day of 1st month (Jesus crucified)
*Unleavened bread: starts on the 15th, lasts 7 days (Jesus buried)
*First Fruits: the day after the Sabbath following Passover (Jesus the first fruits of the resurrection)
*Pentecost: The Sunday after the 7 weeks following First fruits

Second coming:
*Trumpets: 1st day of 7th month (Jesus return)
*Atonement: 10th day of 7th month (Serpent bound)
*Tabernacles: 15th day of 7th month (Jesus Tabernacles with us for A thousand years)
*Eighth great day (eternity)
I have heard and read this before, and while there is great correspondence with the Spring festivals, it's hard to pin down the Fall festivals. It makes sense typologically, for sure, but unless and until we have credible, real-world data of a Second Coming of Christ happening during those feasts, it's mere conjecture and guess.
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Re: Jesus in the festivals

I am reposting this from the debate section, since that area has been cluttered with an endless merry-go-round of nonsense, for some reason.

Just a quick blurb about this subject.

The Feasts or Appointed Times of the Lord have four levels of signification. The first of course is the historical. Passover was a commemoration of the Exodus from Egypt, for example. The second is Christological. The Passover looked forward to the cross as Christ became soteriological Passover Lamb accomplishing our deliverance, for example. The third is experiential. We must each of us have a personal Passover or Calvary experience, whereby not only do we 'eat' the Passover (the cross applied to our lives) but we must also take up our own cross and 'die to self' on our personal, God-ordained Golgotha, ie we identify with Christ in his death, for example. And the fourth is eschatological. Paul says the feasts are 'shadows of things coming', ie still future from when he wrote those words. (I understand this last point will be debatable by my preterist friends, but that's not what this thread is about, so bear with me a moment.)

Now, we know that Christ died on Passover. As such, he fulfilled the Passover. Yet, in Hebrews we read that Christ also fulfills the Atonement. Now, the Day of Atonement was in the fall, and did not take place during Passover. For years I had wondered 'Why, if Christ fulfills the Day of Atonement, did he not die on the day of Atonement?'

First of all, he had to die on a particular day, so it couldn't be both. It would have to be one or the other.

Second, the Day of Atonement was meant to secure the ongoing atonement of the nation. But without Passover there would be no nation to be atoned for. So, the Day of Atonement depends on the Passover.

Third, the Day of Atonement occurs in the seventh month. The Passover occurs in the first month. To determine the seventh month, one has to know when the first month is. Thus, again, Atonement depends on Passover.

Fourth, the Passover is merely part of a larger Feast, the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This feast is a seven day feast that actually spans eight days. The first day is the Passover day itself, when the lamb is killed and roasted. That night, the Lamb is eaten. This would be the 'first day of unleavened bread' properly speaking. This day was a Sabbath, and the day after that would be the presentation and waving of the 'omer' or 'sheaf of the firstfruits'. So the third day, technically speaking, of the whole festal period is the 'omer' day. Then, the last day, or seventh day of the week of Unleavened Bread, is also a Sabbath.

What we see here is a pattern: The first, the third, and the seventh. The first is when the Lamb is slain. The third is the presentation of the representative firstfruit. The seventh is the culmination or completion.

The Feasts themselves follow a similar pattern of first, third, and seventh. The first month is Passover/Unleavened Bread, the third month is Pentecost or feast of firstfruits, and the seventh month is Trumpets (announcing the beginning of the seventh month), Atonement, and Tabernacles (another 8 day feast).

So then, within the first Feast period of Passover/Unleavened Bread, there is contained in a seed form the entire cycle of yearly Feasts. Or to put it another way, the Passover/Unleavened Bread cycle is a typological representation or template for the entire Feast calendar for the whole year.

So, in conclusion, the Day of Atonement is contained in seed form within the Passover cycle, and is dependent upon the Passover for it's existence and timing. Thus, when Christ died at Passover, he fulfilled in typological form the entire yearly Feast cycle.

This corresponds not merely to the day he died, but to the entire week.

On Passover he died. He was in the tomb during the first Sabbath of Unleavened Bread. He rose the third day as the 'omer' of the resurrection, the proto-typical firstfruit signalling the Pentecost harvest of 'firstfruits' would be acceptable. Likewise, his resurrection is a type of the new life we receive by the gift of the Spirit, which was poured out on the feast of firstfruits aka Pentecost. He appeared to his disciples several times over the next week much to their amazement, signifying a 'Tabernacles' experience much as God tabernacled with Israel in the wilderness (which is what Tabernacles' historical purpose was to commemorate).

So, in a sense, the Passover week was a Christological fulfillment of the whole yearly Feast cycle. And thus, he was able to fulfill the Atonement without having to actually die on the actual Day of Atonement.

Note1: I realise some hold to either a Wednesday crucifixion or a Thursday crucifixion. This thread is not designed to debate that issue (we can do that in another thread if anyone wants?) but merely to point out how Atonement is satisfied even though his death was not on the Day of Atonement.

Note2: During the Exodus event, Israel wound up at Marah on or right about what would be the seventh day of Unleavened Bread. Then they arrived at Sinai shortly before the day of what would be Pentecost. Pentecost is fifty days from Passover (technically from the omer day). Jesus stayed with the apostles for forty days after his resurrection, leaving them ten days to wait in preparation and prayer until Pentecost when the Spirit was poured out. The time he spent with them he spoke to them about the things pertaining to the kingdom of God. Israel's history in those first fifty days between the Exodus and Sinai give interesting lessons concerning the kingdom of God: The tree making the bitter waters sweet, the twelve wells and seventy palm trees of Elim, the giving of manna in the wilderness of Sin, the striking of the Rock at Rephidim, the coming of Amalek, the appointment of lesser judges (governmental structure) after the arrival of Jethro, and the arrival at Sinai and preparations to receive the Law and Covenant.

Note3: Jesus was with his disciples forty days after his Passover. Israel wandered in Sinai for forty years after their Passover.

Note4: It is likely that when Jesus was baptised by John, he fulfilled much of the typology of the Day of Atonement. This by the way leads into the question of whether Jesus died in the middle of the seventieth week of Daniel, or at the end of the seventieth week. I am starting to see that Jesus did not die in the midst of the seventieth week, but that he was baptised in the midst of the seventieth week, thus (from God's perspective) ending all sacrifice and offering for sin, then completing the seventieth week with his death. I admit this is something I am not certain about, and may be a dead end rabbit trail, but I am currently looking into this to see where it goes.
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Thank you Elder E.

Do you use the conjunction method to determine the first month of the new year? If so did you calculate for Passover on the 12th?
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This seems to line up.

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Thank you Elder E.

Do you use the conjunction method to determine the first month of the new year? If so did you calculate for Passover on the 12th?
The actual "conjunction" (astronomical new moon) is not the Biblical new moon. The Biblical new moon is the first sliver of a crescent after the astronomical conjunction (since the new moon would have been "sighted" and you cannot see the actual astronomical new moon). Calculations are possible these days because we have accurate data, so one or two days after the astronomical new moon the new moon would be visible. There are groups online with members in various locations who post sighting reports, so the timing can be confirmed "by two or three witnesses". This year, Passover day is expected to occur on the 12th, with the 13th being the First Day of Unleavened Bread. I think calculations are certainly better than not doing anything at all. But to be as specific and accurate as possible you need sightings, because it is possible for the calculations to be a day off. We generally go by a calculated calendar but look for verification.
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This seems to line up.

They are incorrect, because like all Thursday and Wednesday crucifixionists (who demand literal 72 hours in the grave) they wind up with Jesus rising "the fourth day" and not the "third day" as the Scripture states. They have Jesus rising on the 2nd day of the week or some other clear error. The Friday crucifixion does satisfy the "three days and three nights" as well as "the third day" AS WELL AS "upon the first day of the week", when one considers both the Biblical and historical usage of such time statements.

I spent several years studying this issue and debating everyone I could and my conclusion was the Friday crucifixion is the only one that does not suffer irreparable damage in one way or another.
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