Old way of Holiness Standard do we need to keep?

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by simplyme

I have to agree, but then I think of the people whom have used that scripture as an excuse NOT to even try to do the least of something good we don't HAVE to be perfect, we all know that even without that scripture which btw is a fav of mine, It came to me at a time when I thought I was a failure, that I could never get right with GOD., it has been a comforting scripture to me at times.
That JESUS is all we need is a given., we are saved by grace, we all know that.
Lest we forget we are to "work out our own salvation with fear and trembling", knowing that of course we do trust in His work of salvation., but its not over yet, there is some work of our own to do as long as we remain in this flesh.

I can understand your caution in this matter. However, this converstaion reminds of a Jeff Arnold sermon within the last 15 yrs at BOTT. He started preaching about grace and then had to back track every statement he said so that no one would think he was a compromiser. Let us just face the facts we One God Apostolics are scared of the word grace. The context of the scripture that I loosely quoted dictates that we don't take advantage of the grace of God. However, I do understand your sincere desire to be cautious about its use.

[kingfish]

i think the whole issue holiness is one thing & standards are another . i think holiness is inward & standares{ is used wrong } we have been taught standers is holiness but the bible calls us all to be modest in our apparel to cover our selves& not to draw attention in the wrong way .{ lustfull are sexual way]

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by bkstokes

I can understand your caution in this matter. However, this converstaion reminds of a Jeff Arnold sermon within the last 15 yrs at BOTT. He started preaching about grace and then had to back track every statement he said so that no one would think he was a compromiser. Let us just face the facts we One God Apostolics are scared of the word grace. The context of the scripture that I loosely quoted dictates that we don't take advantage of the grace of God. However, I do understand your sincere desire to be cautious about its use.

This reminds me of a church in my past where no one was considered saved until they had "the look". Oh, people clapped and shouted when a new person was baptized, or when they were told this person just received the HG. But the REAL joy came when they showed up a few services later looking the part. THAT seems to be how most of the congregation knew they were truly saved.
As a young teen I realized that people were putting the focus on the wrong things: First Acts 2:38 was held in higher regard than the cross, and then "standards" were held in even slightly higher than Acts 2:38..... And then within those "standards" some were held to a higher place then others.....

[OneAccord]

Originally Posted by kingfish

i think the whole issue holiness is one thing & standards are another . i think holiness is inward & standares{ is used wrong } we have been taught standers is holiness but the bible calls us all to be modest in our apparel to cover our selves& not to draw attention in the wrong way .{ lustfull are sexual way]

Kingfish, I think you are right. I posted this on another thread when the brother said I would never see standards as holiness. He was absolutely correct.

Without a grasp of Biblical New Birth, you will never see standards as Holiness.

I re-read this statement this morning (as I'm SUPPOSE to be getting ready for church) and I found that I agree with the underlines words completely. And this isn't an attack on "standards". But, no, I do not see standards as holiness. There are not one and the same. Holiness is what God does when He washes us in the Blood of the Lamb. The stain of sin is washed away when we are covered by His Blood and He... NOTE: HE... makes us holy. Holiness is what HE does in our hearts and lives. Standards,or, more correctly, godly principles, are what WE do, to maintain holiness unto the Lord. And what those "standards" are between an individual and his or her Creator. The Christain principles of love, faith, goodness, and so on that we maintain in our lives is how we respond to the holiness the Lord gives us at Calvary.

There are a great number of religious sects in the world that keep "standards", but have they been made "Holiness unto the Lord" by His Blood? Can we say that the mere keeping of "standards" is what makes us holy? Of course not. If so, then our faith is a works based faith, because keeping standards is a work, that, it seems, some boast in. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8-9 My salvation, any holiness I might have, is the result of the work HE did in my life when He saved my soul. . My "works" of believing the Gospel, being baptized in Jesus Name, being filled with the Holy Ghost, and maintaining Christian principles, is my response to His Finished Work at Calvary

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[robert]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Mmmmm... The "Standards According to Randy Wayne". How would such a book go? For starters it would be very short. It would start out with a verse about, ohhh, working out your own salvation followed by a verse saying to "obey those who have rule over you" MODIFIED by another verse condemning any who would add or take away from the Word.

So 3 or 4 versus... maybe.

Since you are so knowledgeable...could you, or would you be able to explain or define...working out your own salvation? I think leaving this up to the individual without further explanation could result in more diverse definitions than all the existing religions of the world. Are you serious about obeying those who have the rule over you and who are they? It appears you would be for adding to the word since you use quotes that do not come from the scriptures even as you presume to take away from the word by your own philosophies that are not even based on true study of same scriptures. Who knows the mind of God. Do you?

[Blaylock]

Originally Posted by deacon blues

The first standard concerning modesty that is.

The FIRST standard is Jesus Christ, who is the express image of God! By Him all things were made. Without Him there was nothing made that was made. HE IS OUR STANDARD!

I thought most everyone would post the answer as clothes but sorry you are wrong. It had nothing to do with modesty but spiritual safety. Gen 2:16 - And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
But Adam (the watchman and husbandman of the garden) says:Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

Who added the “touch it”? Adam did! Sometime Pastors have to lead as the Spirit leads them. And when we do this it shouldn’t be because of tradition but of love for their soul

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

This reminds me of a church in my past where no one was considered saved until they had "the look". Oh, people clapped and shouted when a new person was baptized, or when they were told this person just received the HG. But the REAL joy came when they showed up a few services later looking the part. THAT seems to be how most of the congregation knew they were truly saved.
As a young teen I realized that people were putting the focus on the wrong things: First Acts 2:38 was held in higher regard than the cross, and then "standards" were held in even slightly higher than Acts 2:38..... And then within those "standards" some were held to a higher place then others.....

My thoughts exactly Randy. I was raised baptist and didn't recieve the Holy Ghost until I was 18. I use to always fo to summer camps with my baptist church where for a week or so we would have devotions, prayer, and activities. I remember once the Pastor had us read out of Acts. I questioned myself, "Why is this book so unfamiliar to me?" This was one of the things that lead me to look for more. However, I agree with you that is one thing that has always grieved me is when people focus more or ACTS 2:38 then the cross. May the LORD help us to keep everything in perspective!

[bkstokes]

Sorry that I typed my last post and didn't go back and review it for errors of grammar or spelling.

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

This reminds me of a church in my past where no one was considered saved until they had "the look". Oh, people clapped and shouted when a new person was baptized, or when they were told this person just received the HG. But the REAL joy came when they showed up a few services later looking the part. THAT seems to be how most of the congregation knew they were truly saved.
As a young teen I realized that people were putting the focus on the wrong things: First Acts 2:38 was held in higher regard than the cross, and then "standards" were held in even slightly higher than Acts 2:38..... And then within those "standards" some were held to a higher place then others.....

I too have observed this mentality in churches.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by commonsense

I too have observed this mentality in churches.

ditto!