The Reason Some Don't Submit

[Abiding Now]

Here at least we shall be free; the Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choice
to reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

Lines 258-63 Paradise Lost by John Milton.


What a devilish attitude! It's a sad day when a person would rather reign in hell, putting their family in jeopardy, than to be a servant in a heavenly place.
When some folks can't excel to their satisfaction in the environment of the local assembly, often times they will leave a good church for a lesser environment where they can "be used".
They weren't really talented enough to sing lead in the choir, but at the lesser assembly their "talents are recognized" and they are "used".
"The pastor doesn't recognize my ministry" is often the cry for the rebel that leaves, dragging wife and his children from a safe haven into a world of the lesser, where he can "reign", rather than "serve".
Too often those that can't serve in heaven find that reigning in hell isn't as rewarding as they thought and wind up ship wreck.
Today might be a could time to prayerfully check our attitude.

[houston]

*laughs*

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Here at least we shall be free; the Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choice
to reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

Lines 258-63 Paradise Lost by John Milton.


What a devilish attitude! It's a sad day when a person would rather reign in hell, putting their family in jeopardy, than to be a servant in a heavenly place.
When some folks can't excel to their satisfaction in the environment of the local assembly, often times they will leave a good church for a lesser environment where they can "be used".
They weren't really talented enough to sing lead in the choir, but at the lesser assembly their "talents are recognized" and they are "used".
"The pastor doesn't recognize my ministry" is often the cry for the rebel that leaves, dragging wife and his children from a safe haven into a world of the lesser, where he can "reign", rather than "serve".
Too often those that can't serve in heaven find that reigning in hell isn't as rewarding as they thought and wind up ship wreck.
Today might be a could time to prayerfully check our attitude.

Funny, but I have never once felt anger about "being used" (or NOT used) in church. My resentment comes, not from the pastor telling me I can't teach, but when he starts telling us what days of the week we are allowed to have "marital relations" (as just one example) on and so on and so forth.

[houston]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Funny, but I have never once felt anger about "being used" (or NOT used) in church. My resentment comes, not from the pastor telling me I can't teach, but when he starts telling us what days of the week we are allowed to have "marital relations" (as just one example) on and so on and so forth.

if you can go on vacation, where you're allowed to go on vacation...

can you buy a car.,. a house...

is this Christian cd ok to listen to?

etc

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Funny, but I have never once felt anger about "being used" (or NOT used) in church.

I can second that, or even amen it.

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

My resentment comes, not from the pastor telling me I can't teach, but when he starts telling us what days of the week we are allowed to have "marital relations" (as just one example) on and so on and so forth.

The craziness seems to have no have no end to it. I had not experienced this teaching, but I can believe it. I have no resentment left now, just sadness for the ones who remain burdened in its grip.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

I can second that, or even amen it.



The craziness seems to have no have no end to it. I had not experienced this teaching, but I can believe it. I have no resentment left now, just sadness for the ones who remain burdened in its grip.

Several years ago I scanned in and posted the actual "study" material he handed out to support his doctrines on the subject. I could do it again if you want.

And people in the church DID (and do) "submit" to him on these private issues. One such person was a young lady who my wife knew for years. One day she called her and was acting quite distressed because she had "given in" and actually had sex with her husband. . . . <wait for it>. . . on a Sunday, against his teaching. She was feeling all manner of remorse and guilt for not having properly SUBmitttttttedddd <spit> (thank you Angela V for always spelling SUBmitttttt <spit> that way. LOL), to his authority.

I did not know who I wanted to wack more. The pastor or HER, for the power she gave him over their lives.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Several years ago I scanned in and posted the actual "study" material he handed out to support his doctrines on the subject. I could do it again if you want.

And people in the church DID (and do) "submit" to him on these private issues. One such person was a young lady who my wife knew for years. One day she called her and was acting quite distressed because she had "given in" and actually had sex with her husband. . . . <wait for it>. . . on a Sunday, against his teaching. She was feeling all manner of remorse and guilt for not having properly SUBmitttttttedddd <spit> (thank you Angela V for always spelling SUBmitttttt <spit> that way. LOL), to his authority.

I did not know who I wanted to wack more. The pastor or HER, for the power she gave him over their lives.

Wow. It is just sick and sad, isn't it. Sometimes you think you've heard it all, but .... nope.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

Here at least we shall be free; the Almighty hath not built
Here for his envy, will not drive us hence:
Here we may reign secure, and in my choice
to reign is worth ambition though in Hell:
Better to reign in Hell, than serve in Heaven.

Lines 258-63 Paradise Lost by John Milton.


What a devilish attitude! It's a sad day when a person would rather reign in hell, putting their family in jeopardy, than to be a servant in a heavenly place.
When some folks can't excel to their satisfaction in the environment of the local assembly, often times they will leave a good church for a lesser environment where they can "be used".
They weren't really talented enough to sing lead in the choir, but at the lesser assembly their "talents are recognized" and they are "used".
"The pastor doesn't recognize my ministry" is often the cry for the rebel that leaves, dragging wife and his children from a safe haven into a world of the lesser, where he can "reign", rather than "serve".
Too often those that can't serve in heaven find that reigning in hell isn't as rewarding as they thought and wind up ship wreck.
Today might be a could time to prayerfully check our attitude.

When I came to my first Apostolic Church I told the Pastor in a private meeting I was not interested in a pulpit ministry. Then the next time I was there he announced I would henceforth be teaching the Wednesday night Bible class.

Several times during that year the Pastor got up behind me and "corrected" my teaching.

I never left until the day he defined Biblical perfection as men shaving their beards and taking off their wrist watches. Men and women wearing long sleeves only. Women taking off pant suits and not cutting their hair.

[ILG]

Jesus didn't submit to the Pharisees. Neither did the disciples. Just sayin'.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by ILG

Jesus didn't submit to the Pharisees. Neither did the disciples. Just sayin'.

Nope, come to think of it, they sure didn't. What a great point!