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View Poll Results: What is the appropriate attitude of Apostolic Christians toward birth control?
Anything short of abortion itself is okay 2 11.76%
Abortion is okay in cases of rape, incest, or protect the health of the mother 1 5.88%
All forms of contraception, including antiimplantation, are okay 4 23.53%
All contraception forms except antiimplantation are okay 3 17.65%
Only barrier methods are okay. The pill sometimes is an abortifacent. 1 5.88%
Wild and Free. (married, of course) 5 29.41%
Whatever the Catholics decide, or have done, is good enough for me. 1 5.88%
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Old 07-06-2007, 01:33 PM
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I do not believe in any abortion. However, the bible says that the life is in the blood. where there is no blood there is no life. (I think...maybe...)

so the pill, when it stops a pregnancy before blood cells form, has not killed an innocent human life.
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Looks like I am first up to bat!

I do not believe in any abortion. However, the bible says that the life is in the blood. where there is no blood there is no life. (I think...maybe...)

so the pill, when it stops a pregnancy before blood cells form, has not killed an innocent human life.
You may be right, Ferd. It is an interesting thought.
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. . . the bible says that the life is in the blood. where there is no blood there is no life. (I think...maybe...)

so the pill, when it stops a pregnancy before blood cells form, has not killed an innocent human life.
The trouble with this concept is that it may be logically taken down the "slippery slope" until only that which can survive outside the womb is considered "human life," which puts us right where we were in the 70s with abortions approved for the first trimester and then the second.
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The trouble with this concept is that it may be logically taken down the "slippery slope" until only that which can survive outside the womb is considered "human life," which puts us right where we were in the 70s with abortions approved for the first trimester and then the second.

OP, while I am not fully commited to "the life is in the Blood" view....(I am somewhere between that and NEVER end any pregnancy) I dont agree with this slippery slope idea.

if there is blood, it doesnt matter one iota if a child can survive outside the womb. if there is a single blood cell, then that is a life that must be protected. period.

if there is no blood cell, well that is where we have the discussion.
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I do not believe in any abortion. However, the bible says that the life is in the blood. where there is no blood there is no life. (I think...maybe...)

so the pill, when it stops a pregnancy before blood cells form, has not killed an innocent human life.
Actually, the pill most often works by preventing ovulation, thus, there is no egg to be fertilized, and therefore no fertilized egg to implant.
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Actually, the pill most often works by preventing ovulation, thus, there is no egg to be fertilized, and therefore no fertilized egg to implant.
I know that. however, there is a very small chance that an egg becomes fertilized. when that happens the pill works to prevent the fertilzied egg from implanting. in this case, you have an abortion of some kind.

the question becomes, is this sinful? my point is that the bible says the life is in the blood. if there is no blood, there cannot be a sin of taking a life (murder).

i think... Im not commetted to that view at this point.
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I know that. however, there is a very small chance that an egg becomes fertilized. when that happens the pill works to prevent the fertilzied egg from implanting. in this case, you have an abortion of some kind.

the question becomes, is this sinful? my point is that the bible says the life is in the blood. if there is no blood, there cannot be a sin of taking a life (murder).

i think... Im not commetted to that view at this point.
you do raise an interesting point. Also, how many stories have you heard about the 'pill babies' that weren't supposed to happen, but did anyway? Thus, the pill doesn't always prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, either.
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you do raise an interesting point. Also, how many stories have you heard about the 'pill babies' that weren't supposed to happen, but did anyway? Thus, the pill doesn't always prevent implantation of a fertilized egg, either.
true. I think they say 99% or some such. but that goes out the window when the possible population is a hundred million. that leaves one million failures. 1% can be a big number.
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