Hispanics...What to do with THEM !!

#1 10-12-2007, 02:48 PM

Hello,

With all due respect to my precious brethen and with an angle from a minority(Minority in this nations eyes (but not in Jesus' eyes).

I have lived all my life(42 years) in the south and have been in the Truth the last 20 years.

I have been under precious men of faith BUT there has always been that "understood unspoken law" , caucasians lead, everyone else follows.

I attempted to get my Lic. back in 1992 , not allowed because the Pastors son had to be the first one to get his Lic. at that church since he was next in line for the church.

I waited and waited nothing, I have read all the books , preached done all I was asked and nothing met all the requiremnets placed before me and nothing. I moved to TX where at least 50% of the congregations are made up of "minorities" at least in my area and yet NOT ONE "minority" pastor.

Many years ago there was always a stigma that was placed on the black race as "being to dumb" to know or do anything right, well now it has been extended to the Mexicans, Puerto Ricans, Indians shall I go on.

There really is a problem, and I am happy Jesus is not like most in leadership in this area because you see GOD has used me in services full of Caucasians even if they won't.

Its a reality, sad, and even if done subconsciously its still wrong. I hold no bitter feelings , it just saddens me because I know if I notice it many thers do also.

I posted this on a different thread earlier and in doing so I might have given the impression that I am black, sorry for that I am a Hispanic and decided it deserves its own thread.

The UPCI is currently dealing with an issue it should have addressed long ago and I am right now saying in a not to distant future this will be another major one.

Currently there are some assistant Hispanic pastors out there but how many pastors can honestly say you have encouraged them to start their own Spanish UPCI churches to step out and grow?

The Hispanic population is expanding in double digit growth and if the UPCI does not recognize this and see the need to nurture/train/help those who are willing, ready and very able those slighted will rightfully finally take a stand.

Sour grapes, no by no means, I want in no way shape or form for this to ever be an issue, but step back and take and honest look and ask is there any credence to this.

SDG · #2 10-12-2007, 02:49 PM

Go out and do it.

#3 10-12-2007, 03:13 PM

If it were that simplistic the goal would have been achieved long ago....

SDG · #4 10-12-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Chosen

If it were that simplistic the goal would have been achieved long ago....

It is that simple.

#5 10-12-2007, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

It is that simple.

Sorry brother you are wrong as far as this area goes, I know of others who have gone through and are still enduring what I am speaking about but I think I will stop here because it seems this is taking a life of ots own and drawing contention from some which wasn't and isn't my intention.

I cannot disagree with what you have experienced or know, neither can you with me.

SDG · #6 10-12-2007, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Chosen

Sorry brother you are wrong as far as this area goes, I know of others who have gone through and are still enduring what I am speaking about but I think I will stop here because it seems this is taking a life of ots own and drawing contention from some which wasn't and isn't my intention.

I cannot disagree with what you have experienced or know, neither can you with me.

Chosen ... I've sat in national SEM board meetings ... my dad served on the National board too ... I know the success stories and the horror stories ... and have analyzed the dynamics to them all .... your complaints are not new .... and trust me anyone here can tell you I'm no org sycophant so I am not advocating a system .... I don't even hold a license w/ the org any longer ...

What I see is a young man w/ a desire ... to do something for the Kingdom of God .... but in the end game ... you're focusing on the minors as to why there is no "revival" in your area ... "The Man" is not the problem, here.

It's great to be funded .... and supported ...
yet this comes w/ a lot of baggage, bro. And many times greater troubles.

There is no replacing an anointing of the Holy Spirit ... and a volition to do God's work .... Go out and do it.

Or find a group that shares your vision ... it will still require action.

BrotherEastman · #7 10-12-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Go out and do it.

Amen!

Sam · #8 10-12-2007, 03:26 PM

Hey, I'm old enough to remember when the UPC Manual had a separate listing for "Colored" ministers at the back of the book.

Some progress has been made.

Trouvere · #9 10-12-2007, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Hey, I'm old enough to remember when the UPC Manual had a separate listing for "Colored" ministers at the back of the book.

Some progress has been made.

what color???

#10 10-12-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Hey, I'm old enough to remember when the UPC Manual had a separate listing for "Colored" ministers at the back of the book.

Some progress has been made.

sad...well at least we've come a little farther