**** Are the NCO and AWCF "raiding" the UPCI or providing a "safety net"? ****

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I dont think there has ever been a question about Bro. KPs desperation to evangelize the world. and I agree that this sermon demonstraits that.

In the sermon he says that if we dont do this, God will find someone else.


I am left wondering (from my UPCI frame of reference) if they are the "somebody else" ?

Is this a political statement or a reference to the biblical principle that if men don't speak ... then the "rocks will cry out"?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

PRETERIST?????? WHAT!

Not the preterist view.
KPs view that God is working to expand Isreal from the Nile to the Euphraties.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

With all due respect, AGAPE ... the discussion here is not just TV ... it is man's use of technology and the God-given gift God has given to man to invent forms of technology.

I think thats part of KP's point .... Agape ... is not that God has missed it ...
he gave the commission ...
man uses technology to work within this commission ....

Technology can be defined as any tool or craft used by man to control or adapt to his environment. Technology is a pen ... a paper ... la road. anguage ... a space station ... a radio .... an organization .... and TV.

The 1st century Church used Greek to spread the Gospel ... and as KP said that the fact that it was a paganistic culture didn't stop Peter from using Greek.

The primitive Church used the Appian Way and Roman roads to fulfill the Great Commission ... and KP says that the fact that the Roman builder were blood thirsty heathens ... but it didn't stop Paul from using this road.

I truly believe for some of these men to go on television would be a mistake.

You're talking about a medium that is totally geared toward entertainment.
All the ministries that have hit the blue tube haven't made a dent into society. Billy Graham led the way and the sinner’s prayer and no revolution.
Jim and Tammy Faye got sucked up into the mantra of "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" and Jimmy Swaggart allowed his high and mightiness to lead him to Baton Rouge porn shops. I'm not saying that all who fall into the media of television become lost. What I'm trying to say that it was done already and while it will make the preacher filthy rich it won't mean much for the old lady eating cat food because she just sent in her last dime to the televangelists.

ONE GOD PENTECOSTAL YOU'RE A DAY LATE. TOO LATE FOR TELEVISION.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Ferd

Not the preterist view.
KPs view that God is working to expand Isreal from the Nile to the Euphraties.

Oh my Lord! Ferd that was in the preaching? Did he say that?
You're kidding me right, are you sure.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Is this a political statement or a reference to the biblical principle that if men don't speak ... then the "rocks will cry out"?

Kind of both bro. Not sharp sticking anyone. But dont we have to look at the fact that God will find someone? KP may very well be right about the time we live in.

Clearly we dont agree on every point of doctrine but we agree on the essentials. and our message, if it is the right message has to get out.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Oh my Lord! Ferd that was in the preaching? Did he say that?
You're kidding me right, are you sure.

yup. go to the link, start around min 15 or so.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Oh my Lord! Ferd that was in the preaching? Did he say that?
You're kidding me right, are you sure.

start at 11.30 into the sermon.

[revrandy]

This may be a little out there.. But I think that Bro. Phillips really had no successor... but found one in Suber...

Randy kinda has his own thing going on across town doesn't he?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I think that desperation has him in a place where he has decided that now is the time and he is going to position himself to be part of what ever takes place.

anyone leaving the UPCI over the TV issue out of frustration because of a lack of vision on the part of the organization will find NCO and KP to be welcoming.

Agreed .

I like how you've worded this ... "positioned himself to a part of whatever takes place "....

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Any one have audio only fir pod-listening?????