Forgiveness or Remission?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I have seen more people filled with the Holy Ghost on their knees in prayer than in the baptistry. If people don’t become forgiven until baptism, then how do they receive baptism of the Spirit before water baptism. Your logic is that people born of the Spirit are still in their sins until water baptism. People who are filled with the Spirit will definitely want to become baptized. I am not refuting baptism, but baptism is a work of repentance and not repentance itself.

What is "remission of sins"? I have proven from Scripture that forgiveness and remission are THE SAME THING. I have proven from Scripture that sins are forgiven in baptism. I have proven from Scripture that Christ's death secures the pardon of our sin, and that Christ's death is effectually applied to us in baptism.

You ask about "The Cornelius Exception", people receiving the Spirit before being baptized. Apparently they got the Holy Ghost before making any altar call, praying Jesus into their heart, or "feeling lots of remorse and emotion" as you described "repentance".

Matthew 10:1-8 KJV
And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. [2] Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; [3] Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; [4] Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. [5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: [6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [7] And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. [8] Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Judas, whom Jesus identified as a "devil", had Holy Ghost miracle working power. Did God anoint a devil to preach Jesus Name revivals with power and signs following? Apparently, if we accept your terminology.

The Gentiles in Acts 10 were an EXCEPTION, precisely because nobody would ever baptize them without a divine intervention to show that Gentiles also are eligible for the New Covenant. How can you be a licensed UPC preacher and not know these things? Well, never mind about that. Some folks get the Holy Ghost before baptism. Some in baptism. Some after baptism. That has no bearing on the Bible Fact that baptism is for the remission (forgiveness) of sins.