Salvation, Pt. 2

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Forgiveness of sins and remission of sins are the same thing. Baptism is not circumcision, either.

You're on the right track, though.

Of course water baptism is a spiritual circumcision. The Colossians passage fits in perfectly with the passage in Romans 6 in which Paul discusses water baptism as a baptism into death explaining metaphors in verses 4-5 by verse 6 in that an actuality takes place at water baptism, that is, the body of sin is destroyed. How does this happen? "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ"

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:".

[RonMurray]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Of course water baptism is a spiritual circumcision. The Colossians passage fits in perfectly with the passage in Romans 6 in which Paul discusses water baptism as a baptism into death explaining metaphors in verses 4-5 by verse 6 in that an actuality takes place at water baptism, that is, the body of sin is destroyed. How does this happen? "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ"

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:".

That was a good connection to Romans 6:6, "that the body of sin might be destroyed". Thank You.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Of course water baptism is a spiritual circumcision. The Colossians passage fits in perfectly with the passage in Romans 6 in which Paul discusses water baptism as a baptism into death explaining metaphors in verses 4-5 by verse 6 in that an actuality takes place at water baptism, that is, the body of sin is destroyed. How does this happen? "In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ"

Romans 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:".

Circumcision was the sign of the covenant. The new covenant circumcision goes beyond baptism, it applies to repentance and the Holy Ghost as well. Being circumcised in the new covenant is about being born again and walking in obedience to Christ. It is the work of God through us and in us.

It is far more than just baptism.

[Esaias]

Remission of sins and forgiveness of sins are identical expressions in the Greek. There is no difference. Whenever you see 'for the remission of sins' you can just as accurately translate it as 'for the forgiveness of sins'. Anyone suggesting there is a difference between remission and forgiveness of sins is not using the words of the apostles or of Jesus, because those words were written in Greek. There is no Biblical distinction between forgiveness of sins and remission of sins.