Is this the scripture we teach to be separate? - Page 3

KWSS1976 · #21 02-11-2009, 12:43 PM

A quiet place if you were to change and put on pants and go to your church how do you think they would treat you? Just asking..

Pressing-On · #22 02-11-2009, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I'm sorry if I've come across that way, it's not my intent.

But this thread was about separation, right?

You'd probably be very surprised if you saw me.

I attend an ultra-ultra con church, and I follow the standards. Don't cut my hair, only wear dresses, no makeup - even clear fingernail polish - no tv or movies.

So if I come across as a liberal, resentful of standards, that wouldn't be true.

But I DO disagree with a lot of the teaching I've heard through the years. I'm in a pretty tough spot right now, as a matter of fact, because I do disagree.

And this is one that I've heard a lot, to justify our standards - that we must be separate, using that verse.

Apparently Esther has heard it that way, too, or maybe I misunderstood her post.

Sorry if I offended.

It is my opinion that God is directing our lives. Aside from all the "standards" talk and disappointments that have come against us - we follow after His direction - alone!

I have been disappointed by many things. Been let down by people, organization - which is people (lol).

In all of these situations I have sought for His voice - His direction. What do I do? Sometimes He has told us to go (from a church) and more times than not He has told us to stay and He would see us through.

I heard Nona Freeman preach at a ladies meeting years ago. She gave us this advice - "If you think your pastor is wrong, pray that God will change him or move him OR change you or move you." Good advice.

I don't direct the following to you - just expressing myself further - I have no patience, anymore, on these types of subjects. It is no one's place to tell me where I need to be in my life. My life belongs to God alone. If He tells me, for the rest of my life, to stay in the UPC, that is what I will be doing. I am adamant. He has always told me when I am moving and where I am going. It has never happened for me any other way.

I feel as though somehow, we have gotten the idea that we get to make the decisions for God. I don't know where I will be in 10 years. I don't know what changes will be taking place. I've seen a whole lot of change in the last 10 years - big changes. Because I want to stay inside the place He has set out for me - to mold me, direct me, and prepare me to be received by Him some day - some of these issues are not up for evaluation.

Light · #23 02-11-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Is the scripture we teach to be separate or is there another?

2 Cor 6:17
17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
(KJV)

Wow how fast the subject of the above scripture was changed from context to dress. Context matters..

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and
what communion hath light with darkness?

2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?
for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate,
saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

These verses are not telling us to come out from the world but away from those that teach FALSE DOCTRINE!!!

Pressing-On · #24 02-11-2009, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

Wow how fast the subject of the above scripture was changed from context to dress. Context matters..

2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and
what communion hath light with darkness?

2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial?
or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?
for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Co 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate,
saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

These verses are not telling us to come out from the world but away from those that teach FALSE DOCTRINE!!!

Good post! You are right about it moving into the context of dress. I don't see how it wouldn't being that the scripture has been taken out of context.

MissBrattified · #25 02-11-2009, 01:23 PM

The reason it does is because there is merit to the idea that a Christian lifestyle will cause some natural separation from unbelievers in appearance, behavior, etc. However, I agree--that isn't the context of the scripture. It's just overused in support of the aforementioned concept.

The concept is valid--it just isn't really supported by the "come out from among them" scripture. Using that scripture out of context leads to the misinterpretation in which people go to great lengths to appear separate just for the sake of it.

Pressing-On · #26 02-11-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The reason it does is because there is merit to the idea that a Christian lifestyle will cause some natural separation from unbelievers in appearance, behavior, etc. However, I agree--that isn't the context of the scripture. It's just overused in support of the aforementioned concept.

The concept is valid--it just isn't really supported by the "come out from among them" scripture. Using that scripture out of context leads to the misinterpretation in which people go to great lengths to appear separate just for the sake of it.

I agree!

I do also believe that a Christian lifestyle will cause us to transform and have a natural separation from unbelievers in appearance, behaviour, lifetstyle, etc.

I've always spelled that - behaviour - both are correct though. lol

edjen01 · #27 02-11-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It is my opinion that God is directing our lives. Aside from all the "standards" talk and disappointments that have come against us - we follow after His direction - alone!

I have been disappointed by many things. Been let down by people, organization - which is people (lol).

In all of these situations I have sought for His voice - His direction. What do I do? Sometimes He has told us to go (from a church) and more times than not He has told us to stay and He would see us through.

I heard Nona Freeman preach at a ladies meeting years ago. She gave us this advice - "If you think your pastor is wrong, pray that God will change him or move him OR change you or move you." Good advice.

I don't direct the following to you - just expressing myself further - I have no patience, anymore, on these types of subjects. It is no one's place to tell me where I need to be in my life. My life belongs to God alone. If He tells me, for the rest of my life, to stay in the UPC, that is what I will be doing. I am adamant. He has always told me when I am moving and where I am going. It has never happened for me any other way.

I feel as though somehow, we have gotten the idea that we get to make the decisions for God. I don't know where I will be in 10 years. I don't know what changes will be taking place. I've seen a whole lot of change in the last 10 years - big changes. Because I want to stay inside the place He has set out for me - to mold me, direct me, and prepare me to be received by Him some day - some of these issues are not up for evaluation.

PO...I respect your conviction. honest question...did God tell you join the UPCI? Do you think He really cares who is in or out of the UPCI?

Pressing-On · #28 02-11-2009, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by edjen01

PO...I respect your conviction. honest question...did God tell you join the UPCI? Do you think He really cares who is in or out of the UPCI?

In a short answer - it was the door He led me through to find salvation for my life. I had no friends or family in the UPC.

He cares that we follow after His Will - whether in or out of the UPC.

KWSS1976 · #29 02-11-2009, 01:53 PM

I don't have a problem with any thing anyone does or wears but it is hard to understand how god can convict one women in a certain denomination to dress one way and the other women in another denomination will not get that same conviction. I don't think god is doing things for certain people in certain denominations and not doing it for others...

Pressing-On · #30 02-11-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

I don't have a problem with any thing anyone does or wears but it is hard to understand how god can convict one women in a certain denomination to dress one way and the other women in another denomination will not get that same conviction. I don't think god is doing things for certain people in certain denominations and not doing it for others...

I don't think anyone could go to hell for "sincerely" believing, viewing or interpreting the scriptures in the way they do. Some take things more literally and others don't. The ones that agree hang together. It's pretty simple.

The ones that aren't hanging in any group are on message boards finding out where to hang.