Rules provide no help in avoiding evil desires

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

That's interesting, seeing how every single one of those adjectives can be found in the Bible as how God's Children are to live. Ok, so maybe the last one, dedicated to God's will, isnt specified, but no one in their right mind would deny the prinicple is clear throughout the bible.

That's all well and good except those words have baggage in Oneness circles. How one defines those word are very important. All my righteousness and holiness come from Him I don't earn it by living by a list of rules.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Michael

Rules are what give us our freedom.

Nope.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

No, Christianity is about living a holy, righteous, separated life dedicated to God's will. People of faith don't need a rule book. But that isnt because no rule applies. Rather, it's because the law is in their hearts. Just like a loving couple don't need marriage vows to tell them how to treat each other...it's in their hearts.

Holiness or Hell? (holy)
"We dress this way to be separated from the world" (separated)

And you wonder why people object when you claim to be apostolic and use the same language as other apostolics use when they are preaching about keeping a bunch of extra manmade rules...

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by OilCityCajun

Straw man. Here comes the wind. If someone wants to sin, nothing can help them stop, not even God. Rules are to protect those who want to be righteous from temptation and weights which so easily beset us.

Colossians 2:21-23 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.

There is a true measure of wisdom in seeking to avoid temptations. However we cannot set rules up to help others avoid their temptations. Such rules provide no help for others because they were formed for another man's struggles.

[OilCityCajun]

I have made my position on man-made rules quite clear all over these forums. Just because others...even others in Apostolic churches...misuse biblical principles doesnt mean the principles are invalid. Guns, knives, screwdrivers, automobiles, and so much more, all have a proper use and are perfectly valid tools when used as designed. you wouldnt become a hermit just because people misuse these tools.

[Michael]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Nope.

Nope?!? What do you mean NOPE?!?

In order for you to practice Law, you have to abide by the "rule of law" right. (oh Lord, what am I getting my self into)

In order for me to have certain rights and freedoms, I must abide by the laws of the land, right?

Calvery was about God's legal system, or am I wrong?

[mental]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

No, its because it isn't relevant to the conversation. It was an attempt to turn the topic.

It wasn't an attempt to turn the topic. I just wasn't very clear. I agree with you Baron. Rules do nothing to help with the desires of the flesh. I was replying to Mizpeh who seemed to think man made rules were the same as what God desires for us. I was simply pointing out to Mizpeh that what God cares about is not manmade rules but "real" sins. The verses I quote are in the same context as the verses you quote so it is a good contrast between what man wants and what God wants.

I believe if you live in the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. You don't need a bunch of rules since the Spirit convicts and leads. God has written his law on our hearts.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by deadeye

The extrapolation of antinomianism leads to a sort of spiritual anarchy...liberty becomes license and since there are no standards...(after all they do us no good anyway) we lose all sense of what is right and wrong...everything becomes gray..."Alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, homosexuality, shacking up, abortion...etc....they aren't really wrong anymore...cuz nothing is really wrong...after all we aren't in bondage anymore."

Hallelujah....Free at last!!!

Whatever

"...liberty becomes license...." ?? Men don't need a license, they have been doing quite a job of sinning without a license!!!

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Colossians 2:21-23 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the spiritual powers of this world. So why do you keep on following the rules of the world, such as, “Don’t handle! Don’t taste! Don’t touch!”? Such rules are mere human teachings about things that deteriorate as we use them. These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, pious self-denial, and severe bodily discipline. But they provide no help in conquering a person’s evil desires.

Why is it we have elevated rules to protect people and yet the Word says they are useless in doing that very thing.

Good heavens!!!! Can't believe what I'm reading.

Baron1710 posts a bible verse. A BIBLE VERSE, for crying out loud and I've read several pages of people ARGUING with a BIBLE VERSE!!!!

"Rules give us liberty". (Whu......?????)

"The extrapolation of antinomianism leads to a sort of spiritual anarchy." (Come again?)

"No, Christianity is about living a holy, righteous, separated life dedicated to God's will." (WHAT???)

"Rules are to protect those who want to be righteous from temptation." (Reduced to just shaking head)

"What about the rules of God." (Staring at the ground.)




Are you people in a cult or what????

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

MissB, what do you think it means to be led/directed by the Spirit? How does that happen in our lives? What does it look like? And do we have to do anything to be led of God?

Absolutely - you have to submit your entire life to God, for starters. That's no small task.

mizpeh, you need to read the passage in that version (NLT) in context. It's not talking about God's laws; it's talking about rules made by men.

Nowhere in that passage does it say that following the laws of God is "no help."