The UPCI Needs a Healer

[StillStanding]

rkentsmith says a reversal of res #4 will bring healing.

Others say a reversal of the 1992 AS agreement will bring healing.

I'm sure you will find some that will say that a reversal of all resolutions since 1945 would bring healing!

In my opinion, what will bring healing is for a revival of humility to break out at the Tulsa meeting!

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

rkentsmith says a reversal of res #4 will bring healing.

Others say a reversal of the 1992 AS agreement will bring healing.

I'm sure you will find some that will say that a reversal of all resolutions since 1945 would bring healing!

In my opinion, what will bring healing is for a revival of humility to break out at the Tulsa meeting!

Don't hold your breath.

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

rkentsmith says a reversal of res #4 will bring healing.
Others say a reversal of the 1992 AS agreement will bring healing.

I'm sure you will find some that will say that a reversal of all resolutions since 1945 would bring healing!

In my opinion, what will bring healing is for a revival of humility to break out at the Tulsa meeting!

I believe Rkentsmith has a broken heart.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pianoman

rkentsmith says a reversal of res #4 will bring healing.

Others say a reversal of the 1992 AS agreement will bring healing.

I'm sure you will find some that will say that a reversal of all resolutions since 1945 would bring healing!

In my opinion, what will bring healing is for a revival of humility to break out at the Tulsa meeting!

I personally think Res 3 and the original A/S agreement are far more detrimental to church org than allowing advertisement on TV

Oh and BTW..some people felt betrayed and hurt over the A/S agreement and left....did we discuss some way of getting them back by undoing the A/S? Was there a meeting? Or did nobody care because they were backslidden liberals?

[TRIPLE E]

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind

Interesting you state "missing some key points" then you castigate the conservative side.

What of the Moderates who really had reservations about this ordeal prior also and feel now on a sinking island?

It needs a strong voice and there needs to be a healing for all involved.

That is true.As a moderate what are we to do? Without the conservative voice the pendulum will only swing more liberal and charismatic.

Originally Posted by TRIPLE E

That is true.As a moderate what are we to do? Without the conservative voice the pendulum will only swing more liberal and charismatic.

Actually, you are now the new ultra-con!

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by TRIPLE E

That is true.As a moderate what are we to do? Without the conservative voice the pendulum will only swing more liberal and charismatic.

Why don't you be the conservative voice that keeps things in balance?

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by CC1

Very eloquent words but I think you are missing some very key points.

This "division" was not brought about by this resolution. The unhappiness of conservatives has been growing for some time. They have railed against the use of video in any capacity including image magnification at large events, the style of music, any synchronized motions associated with music, any lighting effects, etc.

The resolution may be fairly characterized as the "line in the sand" or for some "the straw that broke the camels back" but never the less the resolution itself only exposed this division that has been growing for years.

The positive outlook is that both groups should now find more unity. The conservatives are leaving to chart their own path with an org. that will surely preach against the evils of exposed elbows and toes and the moderate / libs left in the UPC can move forward in a biblical and unified manner fulfilling their view of carrying out the Great Commission.

You know, I have to do the Phil Jones here and question you skewed view on this. You paint the Conservatives as folks that are just preaching about elbows and toes, and then show the mod/libs as being the "biblical" ones, and the ones that are "going and carrying out the Great Commission". I for one think that you underestimate the role that many conservative churches have played in carrying the gospel into all the world. You post is very "one sided", and is in no way balanced.

I give you an

[CC1]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

You know, I have to do the Phil Jones here and question you skewed view on this. You paint the Conservatives as folks that are just preaching about elbows and toes, and then show the mod/libs as being the "biblical" ones, and the ones that are "going and carrying out the Great Commission". I for one think that you underestimate the role that many conservative churches have played in carrying the gospel into all the world. You post is very "one sided", and is in no way balanced.

I give you an

You are correct and I addressed this point that BORED brought up. We were probably typing at the same time!

Bottom line is that I feel that I characterized the vast majority of the conservatives correctly but was entirely too optimisitc about my description of the UPCers left.

[Nahum]

Hmm, Bro Smith thinks the only way healing can come is to capitulate to those who are leaving. Somehow that seems wrong to me.

Why not stay and work things out?