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Old 03-14-2010, 10:24 PM
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I haven't read all the preceding posts but here is something I recently found:
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http://www.eas.slu.edu/hazards.html

David Crossley, Professor of Geophysics.
http://www.eas.slu.edu/People/DJCrossley/david.html
Now that's what I'm talking about.

Because "Noah's story" is preserved in the cultural records of some many people (and in many different forms) I have come to believe that it largely reflects a cultural event. Of course, for the cultures of so many people to be impacted around the globe we could certainly envision a "climatic upheaval" as the catalyst.

The large amounts of methane found in Greenland ice from this time period still hasn't been adequately explained as the article points out; however methane is the most powerful natural greenhouse gas.

Volcanism or an undersea event that broke up a portion of the methane ice deposits that surround the continents could have lead to massive warming. Such warming would have mopped up the remnants of the last Ice Age's glaciers in otherwise protected mountain valleys and been responsible for almost universal floods in the major river valleys.

The Dead Sea is said to have risen 300 feet at this time. (Note: this is still well below the level of the Judean Hill Country).
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...I do believe that holy men (and at least one woman) spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost when it comes to the authorship of the books of the Bible. ...

Who was that woman?
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Who was that woman?
Deborah - Judges 5 is often ascribed to her. Miriam's psalm (Exodus 15:21) is another possible female contribution. Some have claimed Priscilla had a hand in Hebrews and other writings attributed to either Paul or the "School of Paul."
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All of the foregoing long-windedness about the Pentateuch may be seen as something of a start on my answer to those of you who asked about how I see it all fitting together.

There's a huge amount of ground to cover and the "proofs" that I have found (actually others found, but I became convinced only after going over it all myself) are numerous and often each one is rather expansive and requires some background as well.

I do believe that holy men (and at least one woman) spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost when it comes to the authorship of the books of the Bible. I do not believe, however, that Moses wrote the words:

"And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred and eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan."
Dan wasn't even born yet. His grandfather Isaac wasn't even born yet - let alone there being a city and region called "Dan" being in existence. And get this! The city of Dan that the writer of Genesis is referring to here wasn't called "Dan" until after the events described in Judges 18:29 - about 300 years after the death of Moses.

Understanding the time frame involved in the writing of Genesis will help us to understand the parabolic nature of the accounts that precede Abram's call to leave Ur (which was in a notorious flood plain).
I don't know if it was 300 years but that is beside the point really. Yes this shows Genesis was either written or edited after the fact

NET bible says
The use of the name Dan reflects a later perspective. The Danites did not migrate to this northern territory until centuries later (see Jdg_18:29). Furthermore Dan was not even born until much later. By inserting this name a scribe has clarified the location of the region.

Gill suggests it was done so in a prophetic anticipation
wherefore, if the same place is intended here, it is so called not only by anticipation, but by a spirit of prophecy; since it had not the name of Dan even in the times of Moses, the writer of this history, unless it may be thought to be inserted by Samuel or some other inspired writer, after Moses; though there is no need to suppose either of these, seeing there might be a town or city of this name in those parts at this time, or however one of the springs of Jordan might be so called, from whence the river had its name as early, Gen_13:11; and so Josephus (f) expressly says, speaking of this expedition, that Abram fell upon them at Dan, for so, adds he, the other fountain of Jordan is called.

If it was written after the fact what does this do to the argument that God showing Moses his "hinder parts" refers to the past works of God?
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I don't know if it was 300 years but that is beside the point really. Yes this shows Genesis was either written or edited after the fact

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If it was written after the fact what does this do to the argument that God showing Moses his "hinder parts" refers to the past works of God?
Gill was of course a fundamentalist, but no matter.

I don't quite follow you on that last statement. Exodus 33:18-24 doesn't appear to be a revelation of things to come such as the failure of the Danite Tribe to take their assigned possession and their migration to Laish and their subsequent idolatry there "centuries" after the death of Moses.

"Hinder parts" or perhaps "afterglow" (a better term IMHO) deals with "where the LORD has been" and not with "where the people of God are headed and their failings there."

Your first statement on this matter is the better one, again IMHO.

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You know, the part of the story of Noah I really like was when he planted a vineyard...
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A few other things to consider. If all of the Earth's water were to melt, how high would the Water Table be? Apparently around 200-250 feet above our current level, far from covering the mountains.

Genesis 7:19-20

And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

Mt Everest; 29,029 ft above sea level. Almost 5 miles.

Another interesting point. When we moved to a Native American village to pastor several years ago, the Natives told stories that the White Man deemed as being ridiculous. Tales, passed down from previous generations.

We told them, "Throw that junk away so we can tell you about Noah and the Ark".

Hmmmmm.......

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I believe the animals hibernated by the providential hand of God. God is a God of miracles... let science be confounded!
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I believe the animals hibernated by the providential hand of God. God is a God of miracles... let science be confounded!
The boat was 30 cubits tall and the water was 15 cubits tall. What is more amazing is that even if the boat did float in water that was half its height this reveals that there is no way that this flood could have covered all things. The Ark when it was built was twice as tall as the waters and surely it didn't tower over mountains. Therefore, water half its height wouldn't cover mountains either.

So if you want to talk about miracles that could have been done to make the ark work... lets start with the miracle of God making 15 cubits high of water cover all the land of the whole world.

Genesis 6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
Genesis 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
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The boat was 30 cubits tall and the water was 15 cubits tall. What is more amazing is that even if the boat did float in water that was half its height this reveals that there is no way that this flood could have covered all things. The Ark when it was built was twice as tall as the waters and surely it didn't tower over mountains. Therefore, water half its height wouldn't cover mountains either.

So if you want to talk about miracles that could have been done to make the ark work... lets start with the miracle of God making 15 cubits high of water cover all the land of the whole world.

Genesis 6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
Genesis 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Basically the flood waters were a little higher then the ones that swamped New Orleans then. I am sure they were more violent given the prevailing theory that the flood was caused by an ice dam from the last ice age failing and wiping out most life in the valley.
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