Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bill

[berkeley]

Maybe the AZ law will have the same fate as 187. I remember the mexican kids at school marched in protest, waving the Mexican Flag. Outrageous. They believed that the INS was going to tear their doors down and drag them out by force, and bus 'em to Tijuana.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Berkley

Maybe the AZ law will have the same fate as 187. I remember the mexican kids at school marched in protest, waving the Mexican Flag. Outrageous. They believed that the INS was going to tear their doors down and drag them out by force, and bus 'em to Tijuana.

CA's Prop. 187 died because a Dem. Governor took office and dropped the appeals process. Since Arizona is also in the infamous Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, it may fare similarly unless someone can get it to the US Supreme Court.

I imagine that the AZ law was written with Prop. 187 in mind and doesn't carry all of the multi-bullet point baggage of the former. The language of AZ's SB:1070 makes constant appeal to the enforcement of Federal codes and places no burden upon local or statewide "benefits" plans.

Illegal aliens in AZ can still apply for government benefits, student loans and all of that. This new law doesn't even address that stuff. The CA Prop. was inspired in part by the "costs" that illegal aliens represented to state services, if I remember it correctly.

[Truthseeker]

"Illegal aliens in AZ can still apply for government benefits, student loans and all of that"

That's the part the blows my mind, illegals getting benefits. I think all about buying votes, IMO.

[Monkeyman]

Blah blah blah, all I hear out of you is..Christians should adhere to man's laws.... It's the ONLY way, you know...render unto Caesar...then you smuggle bibles into China which is illegal...whatever, sheeesh. It's racial profiling, boo Arizona! Except for Los Suns & Randy Wayne

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

Blah blah blah, all I hear out of you is..Christians should adhere to man's laws.... It's the ONLY way, you know...render unto Caesar...then you smuggle bibles into China which is illegal...whatever, sheeesh. It's racial profiling, boo Arizona! Except for Los Suns & Randy Wayne

Again, too strong of a response IMHO, MM.

The law changes nothing except doing away with Napolitano's state-wide "sanctuary law" and similar local ordinances.

If this law is wrong, why haven't you been crying out to overturn 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c)?

http://law.onecle.com/uscode/8/1373.html

The new AZ law merely calls upon local law enforcement to enforce existing Federal laws (such as 8 UNITED STATES CODE SECTION 1373(c)). As far as "racial profiling" goes, this law doesn't even apply until after an officer has made a "legal contact." Local cops don't have the time, the resources, nor even the inclination to round up all 460,000 illegal immigrants that are estimated to live in Arizona.

If this law is wrong, then why have you not been advocating the elimination of all Federal immigration laws? Why the sudden indignation now?

[Monkeyman]

OPEN LETTER TO REV. REPRESENTATIVE STEVE B. MONTENEGRO
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April 23, 2010
..
Rev. Steve B. Montenegro, Member
Arizona State Assembly
..
Dear Steve,
..
I write with great disappointment over your betrayal of people who counted on you to stand up for them and over your greater concern for a bright political future in Arizona. As you well know, the community of apostolic believers who made it possible for your parents and family to enjoy a full life in the United States has always included a significant number of brothers and sisters who, like your family, have also journeyed in search of a full life, often away from very desperate situations, obeying a “higher law” of survival. Unlike you, they did not have the privilege of official documents from a denomination (Apostolic Assembly) to ease that transition. All they had was a name written in the Lamb’s Book of Life and, often, a letter certifying to good Christian character from an apostolic pastor in Mexico or Central America. Yet, as faithful payers of tithes and offerings and untold hours and years of religious labor, they made possible the sustenance of your ministerial family after its arrival from El Salvador. Like Naomi of old (the Book of Ruth), they have been uprooted in the back-and-forth ebb and flow of labor migration waves. Like Ruth of old (Naomi’s widowed daughter-in-law), they have learned to follow Jehovah’s dictum to always welcome the stranger, the poor, the orphaned and the widow, a teaching reinforced by Jesus’ concern for the “least of these” in Matthew 25. In that solidarity Ruth and Naomi found fullness and messianic promise in and for both countries, Moab and Israel. Now, like the beleaguered and criminalized community in the Book of Esther, your brothers and sisters must seek refuge from the blistering heat of xenophobic and scaremongering laws, appealing to high heaven for help in a time of trouble. What pains me the most is that unlike the heroine Esther who risked life and prestige for the persecuted, you have elected to follow the works of Arizona’s own Haman, Senator Russell Pearce, who has long sought to mark and expel these “lawbreakers” (notice the similarity to Haman’s charges) and who has ascended into powerful positions on the back of these scapegoats. My dear Steve, many of these scapegoats are your brothers and sisters, who have prayed for and physically sustained you and yours all these years. Your betrayal and hypocrisy (surely you transported and fellowshipped with these “lawbreakers” in the past; surely you never refused a tithe or love offering from the hands of “lawbreaking” laborers) as a co-signer of this nefarious legislation (SB 1070) is a source of great sadness. So, too, was your 2008 campaign’s attempt to distance yourself from other, “lawbreaking” immigrants. While I wish you well in your promising political career, I pray that you find your place once more among the powerless and humble of the earth. Who knows, but that for such a time as this you have been called into the public square, to proclaim justice and mercy? You may protest that you sought to soften the heavy hand of Haman (Pearce), but you did not succeed. Neither will Governor Brewer's executive order against racial profiling. The hounds of fear and hatred have been unleashed. And do not think that you will escape the fate of your vulnerable brethren. Dear Steve, it would have been sweet to celebrate Purim (the Jewish holiday celebrating the Esther story of liberation) with you a month ago. It is too late now. The feast of Pentecost is around the corner, however. Maybe then you can restore yourself to the right hand of fellowship with your brothers and sisters who love and pray for you, albeit in the shadowy margins of an increasingly hostile society.
..
With a broken heart,
..
Tío Mordecai ..
(Daniel Ramírez, Ph.D., Ann Arbor, Michigan)

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Monkeyman

OPEN LETTER TO REV. REPRESENTATIVE STEVE B. MONTENEGRO
..
April 23, 2010
..
Rev. Steve B. Montenegro, Member
Arizona State Assembly
..
Dear Steve,
..
I write with great disappointment over your betrayal of people who counted on you to stand up for them and over your greater concern for a bright political future in Arizona. As you well know, the community of apostolic believers who made it possible for your parents and family to enjoy a full life in the United States has always included a significant number of brothers and sisters who, like your family, have also journeyed in search of a full life, often away from very desperate situations, obeying a “higher law” of survival. Unlike you, they did not have the privilege of official documents from a denomination (Apostolic Assembly) to ease that transition. All they had was a name written in the Lamb’s Book of Life and, often, a letter certifying to good Christian character from an apostolic pastor in Mexico or Central America. Yet, as faithful payers of tithes and offerings and untold hours and years of religious labor, they made possible the sustenance of your ministerial family after its arrival from El Salvador. Like Naomi of old (the Book of Ruth), they have been uprooted in the back-and-forth ebb and flow of labor migration waves. Like Ruth of old (Naomi’s widowed daughter-in-law), they have learned to follow Jehovah’s dictum to always welcome the stranger, the poor, the orphaned and the widow, a teaching reinforced by Jesus’ concern for the “least of these” in Matthew 25. In that solidarity Ruth and Naomi found fullness and messianic promise in and for both countries, Moab and Israel. Now, like the beleaguered and criminalized community in the Book of Esther, your brothers and sisters must seek refuge from the blistering heat of xenophobic and scaremongering laws, appealing to high heaven for help in a time of trouble. What pains me the most is that unlike the heroine Esther who risked life and prestige for the persecuted, you have elected to follow the works of Arizona’s own Haman, Senator Russell Pearce, who has long sought to mark and expel these “lawbreakers” (notice the similarity to Haman’s charges) and who has ascended into powerful positions on the back of these scapegoats. My dear Steve, many of these scapegoats are your brothers and sisters, who have prayed for and physically sustained you and yours all these years. Your betrayal and hypocrisy (surely you transported and fellowshipped with these “lawbreakers” in the past; surely you never refused a tithe or love offering from the hands of “lawbreaking” laborers) as a co-signer of this nefarious legislation (SB 1070) is a source of great sadness. So, too, was your 2008 campaign’s attempt to distance yourself from other, “lawbreaking” immigrants. While I wish you well in your promising political career, I pray that you find your place once more among the powerless and humble of the earth. Who knows, but that for such a time as this you have been called into the public square, to proclaim justice and mercy? You may protest that you sought to soften the heavy hand of Haman (Pearce), but you did not succeed. Neither will Governor Brewer's executive order against racial profiling. The hounds of fear and hatred have been unleashed. And do not think that you will escape the fate of your vulnerable brethren. Dear Steve, it would have been sweet to celebrate Purim (the Jewish holiday celebrating the Esther story of liberation) with you a month ago. It is too late now. The feast of Pentecost is around the corner, however. Maybe then you can restore yourself to the right hand of fellowship with your brothers and sisters who love and pray for you, albeit in the shadowy margins of an increasingly hostile society.
..
With a broken heart,
..
Tío Mordecai ..
(Daniel Ramírez, Ph.D., Ann Arbor, Michigan)

Your brother hit it on the nose ... SM benefitted from an organization whose legal team got his family a free pass and a pastorate .... funded by many illegals themselves ....

Only to belly ache about "crime is crime". This ... if ever, was a time to abstain.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Your brother hit it on the nose ... SM benefitted from an organization whose legal team got his family a free pass and a pastorate .... funded by many illegals themselves ....

Only to belly ache about "crime is crime".

Most of the "xenophobic and scaremongering" language has come from the Left who seek to create an atmosphere of oppression and fear with their overblown rhetoric and hyperbole.

Besides, you already lost this argument when you compared your polemic opponents to "nazis." Godwin's Law.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Most of the "xenophobic and scaremongering" language has come from the Left who seek to create an atmosphere of oppression and fear with their overblown rhetoric and hyperbole.

Besides, you already lost this argument when you compared your polemic opponents to "nazis." Godwin's Law.

Not looking to sway you, Pela ... or your own appeal for victimization .... but rather the forces are in place to get this repealed.

Hope to make a visit or two to AZ this summer

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by DAII

Not looking to sway you, Pela ... or your own appeal for victimization .... but rather the forces are in place to get this repealed.

Hope to make a visit or two to AZ this summer

Swing by and pick me up. That'll help a lot with my feelings of victimization. And, then we can have RandyWayne hike us down to the bottom of the Canyon. There are some stromatolites there that'd I'd love to get some pictures of.

If anybody stops us while you're driving I'll owe you an ice cream!