Men in Womens Bathroom: A Reality now in CO

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Pragmatist

According to the news tonight, Colorado was the 20th state to pass this law. Where was the outrage over the other 19 where this is already the law?

Maybe because Focus on the Family is headquartered in Colorado?
At least, I think that's where they are.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Sam

Maybe because Focus on the Family is headquartered in Colorado?
At least, I think that's where they are.

True dat. Give the man a candy cigar

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Rico

Some of you are probably wondering how I know all this stuff. Well, Jovita is someone who was a friend of mine when I was in my late teens. She was born Joel, but had lived the bulk of her adult life as a woman named Jovita. Being the kind of person that I am, I asked her a lot of questions about how she ended up how she was. She gave me a lot of information. The last time I spoke with her she still had not had her surgery, but was hoping to eventually get it done.

Because of the things I knew from Jovita, I didn't think it was a big issue to be friends with people that have this disorder. When I ended up in CA a coworker, Joanna, was a tranny, like Jovita. She was at the beginning stages of her transition so it was pretty obvious she was actually a he (had a serious issue with 5 o'clock shadow, voice, and mannerisms. I learned a lot from her too.

This is definitely not a choice that people like this make. Both Jovita and Joanna said they always felt like they were girls while growing up. Jovita was a very feminine male so she got picked on a lot. Joanna was a "regular" male, so she was able to keep her struggle a secret. One thing that was different about Joanna was that she was attracted to females, while Jovita was attracted to males.

I never thought I would be talking about them on a forum, but here we are. To this day, I will do the best I can to be understanding and cordial to people like Jovita and Joanna. This was all before my conversion, so the issue of God never came up with either of them.

Rico they are sick sick people. All the cutting they choose to do will change nothing. Not there mental torment nor their gender.

They need Jesus.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

They need Jesus.

I am not arguing they don't need Jesus. Apart from a complete conversion, including a major miracle on the part of God, they are going to be what they are. I do not think it's a good idea to treat these people with contempt and hatred, regardless of whether they convert or not. The really sad thing to me is that the Church can't seem to find much success getting homosexuals delivered from their desires, so what are the chances of it finding success with a much more complicated issue than being gay?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Rico

I am not arguing they don't need Jesus. Apart from a complete conversion, including a major miracle on the part of God, they are going to be what they are. I do not think it's a good idea to treat these people with contempt and hatred, regardless of whether they convert or not. The really sad thing to me is that the Church can't seem to find much success getting homosexuals delivered from their desires, so what are the chances of it finding success with a much more complicated issue than being gay?

For the most part it is not the church that is at fault. The blood of Jesus can save to the uttermost - including persecution from the "church" if need be.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

For the most part it is not the church that is at fault. The blood of Jesus can save to the uttermost - including persecution from the "church" if need be.

The problem isn't Jesus or His blood. The problem is with how people like this get treated by the church, before and after conversion. A lot of good it does to call people fa*****, queers, freaks, disgusting, and generally show contempt towards anyone caught in these sorts of traps. We've got a long way to go in learning how to love the sinner when it comes to homosexuals, transvestites, and transgendered people. We try to hid behind saying we love the sinner and hate the sin, but I certainly don't see alcoholics, drug addicts, adulterers, sexually promiscuous men and women, and other sinners treated the way we treat these folks. Even when we do manage to get one to convert, we still treat these people like they have the plague. It's a disgrace to everything that Jesus stands for and what Christianity is supposed to be about, in my opinion.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Rico

I am not arguing they don't need Jesus. Apart from a complete conversion, including a major miracle on the part of God, they are going to be what they are. I do not think it's a good idea to treat these people with contempt and hatred, regardless of whether they convert or not. The really sad thing to me is that the Church can't seem to find much success getting homosexuals delivered from their desires, so what are the chances of it finding success with a much more complicated issue than being gay?

There is a local ministry in the Cincinnati area called Prodigal Ministries
http://www.prodigalministries.net/
led by a young man named Jerry Armelli which ministers to and works with gays and lesbians. Jerry has spoken at the local Vineyard one weekend and he and some of his team came for a Monday night meeting of the Growth and Healing ministry.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Sam

There is a local ministry in the Cincinnati area called Prodigal Ministries
http://www.prodigalministries.net/
led by a young man named Jerry Armelli which ministers to and works with gays and lesbians. Jerry has spoken at the local Vineyard one weekend and he and some of his team came for a Monday night meeting of the Growth and Healing ministry.

It's a good thing that some people are starting to wake up and see the need for these types of ministries. It would be nice if the church as a whole would follow suit.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Rico

I am not arguing they don't need Jesus. Apart from a complete conversion, including a major miracle on the part of God, they are going to be what they are. I do not think it's a good idea to treat these people with contempt and hatred, regardless of whether they convert or not. The really sad thing to me is that the Church can't seem to find much success getting homosexuals delivered from their desires, so what are the chances of it finding success with a much more complicated issue than being gay?

I still think they are freaks, but I would only call them that behind their backs

Seriously I used to witness to one many years ago before I found out "her" secret. Afterwards I still treated "her" as I did before but in my mind you always have that nagging thought "this was a dude....so thats why she has no hips!"

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Rico

I am not arguing they don't need Jesus. Apart from a complete conversion, including a major miracle on the part of God, they are going to be what they are. I do not think it's a good idea to treat these people with contempt and hatred, regardless of whether they convert or not. The really sad thing to me is that the Church can't seem to find much success getting homosexuals delivered from their desires, so what are the chances of it finding success with a much more complicated issue than being gay?

Years ago I read a book by David Wilkerson. I think the title was The Untapped Generation but I am not sure. In it he said that they had a very low success rate with homosexuals (as they were called back then).