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Esaias · #1 10-21-2014, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

The Law(10 commandments) were MY schoolmaster to lead me to Christ.

I was raised as a Catholic Gentile, being taught the 10. They condemned me daily when I grew older and fell into sins. I thought about them almost constantly and even banned myself from reading the Bible. I thought that "what I dont know wont hurt me". This is EXACTLY why I did not allow folks to witness to me. They were trying to show me I was a sinner through the Law.

It finally got the best of me as I began to repent of the sins that I learned were wrong FROM THE 10 Commandments.

Just think about what happened to me...the Law was the foundation of finding the Lord for me.

The New Birth came and I became FREE from the Law....

When you became free from the Law did it mean you could now violate that Law without consequence?

Because if the new birth makes us unaccountable to the commandments of God, then it is impossible for any Christian to ever backslide and be lost....

Sean · #2 10-21-2014, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

When you became free from the Law did it mean you could now violate that Law without consequence?

Because if the new birth makes us unaccountable to the commandments of God, then it is impossible for any Christian to ever backslide and be lost....

Brother, thank you for asking this question. I want to show you what I believe regarding the Law and the saint....Please feel free to ask me anything here. I am not on any kind of defensive mode here. It is based on Gal 5....

Galatians 5

5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.(free from sin and the Law)

2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.

3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. (this shows the Law is still in existence)

4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. (if we try to put ourselves back under the Law, this applies to us)

5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.

6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?

8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.

9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

10 I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.

11 And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision, why do I yet suffer persecution? then is the offence of the cross ceased.

12 I would they were even cut off which trouble you.

13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.(this liberty is freedom from the Law, because we are dead to and free from sin)

14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.(this is the "replacement" of the Law of Moses for us)

15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.

16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. (this is the key to living "free from" the Law...Walking in the Spirit)

17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.(if we walk in the Spirit, we ARE NOT under the Law)....But the following section is for those that are not walking in the Spirit, which puts them back under the Law by doing the works of the flesh....This can also apply to us if we live a "carnal" life in Christ(NOT led of the Spirit)....

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I see 2 ways for the born again saint to fall back under the Law....#1, backsliding into the "works of the flesh" and #2, trying to bring back the Law of Moses into our Christian experience.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.(this is the way to "measure" if we are walking in the Spirit for ourselves...Are we bearing the 9 fruits of the Spirit?...If so, we ARE walking in the Spirit and consequently, are under NO Law of the O.T.!)

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.(this is our ONLY way to stay FREE from the Law...to walk in the Spirit)

26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Bro., I want to know All of the implications of walking in the Spirit, verses not walking in the Spirit.

I believe the Law is alive and well, ready to judge me if my "old man" is allowed off the cross, even for a day.

When the saint falls into sin, they must repent or they will be judged by the Law and lose their "FREEDOM", only to be judged under the Law and is therefore "fallen from Grace".

Your questions or comments are welcome here...

Sean · #3 10-20-2014, 06:09 PM

Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

This was before the Law of Moses...interesting!

Sean · #4 10-20-2014, 06:12 PM

For all watching here...I am NO WAY implying that the BORN AGAIN SAINTS are under the Law, only the sinner.( Either the written or unwritten Law as it applies to the individual).

Sean · #5 10-20-2014, 06:33 PM

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

This passage was written to all and shows that the Law was EVERYONES schoolmaster, both Jew And Gentile alike...See the highlighted words for help.

Verse 24 is NOT exclusive to the Jews...

mfblume · #6 10-20-2014, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

OUR and US refers to the Jews, since Paul was a Jew, and YOU is Gentiles since he appealed to gentile believers. Read it with that in mind.

Sean · #7 10-20-2014, 11:37 PM

Now lets get this right....

3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? Written to ALL the Brethren in the COUNTRY of Galatia....ALL of them.

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? ALL of them

3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
All of them

4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Speaking to all of them

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.ALL saints are of Abraham by faith

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.That is ALL of the Galatians here

10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:ALL of them in Galatia are redeemed from the curse of the Law

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. All of them,Both Jew AND Gentile

15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. All of the Galatians, Jew and Gentile

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.All of them

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. All of them

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. All of them in Galatia

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. All of them in Galatia

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. All of them in Galatia

29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise All of them in Galatia

There is absolutely NO evidence of Paul changing his rhetoric to the Jews only in any of the chapter. It is addressing the Church of Galatia everywhere in the region as a whole. Just like it starts in verse 1 folks!

Sean · #8 10-20-2014, 11:49 PM

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Evang. Ben.....why are you lashing out at this individual? Mocking, making fun, badgering him because he hasn't satisfied your questions that you have presented in a childish manner. It appears you feel threatened. If I recall, ..reading posts of yours from a few years back...you bashed the view of preterism, now you're bashing people who don't hold to that view. What gives you the right to scold people who believe different than you, when some of your beliefs are flawed and unscriptural? You haven't shown any kind of love in your posts...and with the attitude you have shown, it's an embarassment to believers that you type all of this junk "in the name of Jesus". You're not all-knowing so would you stop acting like it? Thanks.

Sean · #9 10-21-2014, 03:38 PM

To all concerned here.....Maybe we should target this message to specific Jewish children(only) that are in our youth groups, Right???(its the Law of Moses)

Ephesians 6 (EPISTLES)

6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.

2 Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;

3 That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

(Paul referencing Exodus 20:12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.)

Sean · #10 10-21-2014, 03:52 PM

Or, Maybe this "Law of Moses" can apply to ALL of our youth group today?

Cant we use it as a "schoolmaster" to lead all of them to Christ? (The Ephesians did it)

Can we also use the Law as a "schoolmaster" to lead all adults to Christ?

If we can do it, and the Ephesians did it, then the Galatians could also.