The Bible is not the Word

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Originally Posted by shazeep

ok now Mike, i don't have to let your ladies run rampant in my church, ok. You have to go away from me, if you expect me to go away from you. What you are doing is abuse now, after you have made it plain that you believe it is i who am lying, and you are accusing me of lying, even though i said i am prepared to talk bible now, and your reply is that you were prepared to talk Bible then, but not now. See?


So goodbye.

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Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Why am i finding Greek gods in my Bible, O, when i go asking Lex about "hell?"

Originally Posted by omega2xx

I have no idea. does Lex provide a scripture(s) for their comment?

Originally Posted by nateswift

The answer to your specific question is that it is probably a digression from discussion of the Greek concept of "Hades" which has transitioned into "Hell," a Norse concept as I recall, in the English language. Bible translation is funny that way.

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Isn't it, though. So it is being represented as "inerrant," as God, essentially, when Greeks, Norsemen, and Angles have all been Witnessed W horing with It, is what i am picking up. Am i picking up what you are putting down here, nate?

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Originally Posted by nateswift

Do a Venn diagram to make it clearer in your mind. Truth is represented by a large circle, the Bible by a smaller circle that is partially in the larger circle and partially outside. The trick is to recognize what is outside by knowing the characteristics of the larger circle.

Originally Posted by Mike555

One last thing that you may or may not be interested in. If interested, read this paper by scholar F. F. Bruce on what is meant by Bible inspiration.

http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/pd...tion_bruce.pdf

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

But why are you replying to me, and not answering him, Mike555
Define Gospel and Word for me first, Mike555, so i can hear you, ok?

Originally Posted by Mike555

Because you've been asking me questions which I've answered. Smith thinks he has something to teach me. I don't agree with many of his beliefs and he doesn't agree with many of mine. It will remain so. And I'm not interested in endless debates which go nowhere.

I've already shown you who ''the Word'' refers to, and what ''the word'' refers to.

The Gospel in the narrow sense refers to the good news that Jesus died for our sins. In the broad sense it can refer to God's communicated word in general.

But I think I've spent enough time on this now. Read the paper by F. F. Bruce if you wish.

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Ah, you mean that big preachy thing up there, that did not connect Word with Book at all, that i can tell? Let me go read it again, real quick, hang on for one second...

So, you start by putting me in my place, of course; just agreeing with me, y'know;

But you are trying to help me, i understand; you are busy, and just want to pitch me a quick little correction of my errors before you must run, and i do appreciate it, don't get me wrong here ok?

Then, lessee; ok, you made a nice assertion here, next, i agree with 99% of it--that's always the way, huh--and you only, at the end there, went off from Word being spoken, Breath, to, somehow, being written, which is "words," not Word (God, Christ, Gospel). Let's take a look--well, since you have suddenly "spent enough time" here (and boy, am i deja vuing out right now, or what; i have been here, more than once. A student, asking questions, and a teacher who suddenly gets an important phone call lol), we will go on without you, i mean, no prob:

Where in you have not established the bolded, wadr, and i never said that God's breath was no less true when written, exactly; right at that moment, perhaps, dunno, maybe while God's breath is still hot, and He is standing over the scribe; i can't really say. But what i am saying is that "Nest" gets turned into "Mansion" somehow. See, Father says "nest"--in Hebrew, no less; Ancient Hebrew; which i have no copy of, and no Lex for--and i read "Mansion," in English. Now we could go on--without you, i mean--and i see that you are about to veer off into The Revelation, which i already know will not verify what you have yet to verify, so maybe it's best if we stop, right here, so i can get your word on the objections that i have raised, which should be easy to clear up, i dunno, because i am admittedly light on OT, so maybe someone else will clear this up for me, if you are still on your phone call. But ty, i do appreciate your help, Mike555. If you read your Rev ref, you will see that it does not say what you are saying, i don't think, although it may be read that way, if you blink real quick, as you are reading it:

See, what we have here is a report of the Word; which i have no problems admitting that the Book was God~Beathed, i hope you understand--my problems start when "Nest" gets turned into "Mansion," ok. And you might look at...ha, all of those other passages you quoted, every one, for this same problem, Mike555. Maybe i'm wrong, dunno, we will see. Ty again.

Mike555, it should become crystal clear, at some point,
that you wish to make Book into God.
After Book has been edited to suit you.

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Hello? this thing still on?

Originally Posted by Matthew 4:4

Hello, and apparently this thing is still on !

So, how much longer for ' they ' (the powers that be) will be saying, "Peace and Security"......1st Thess. 5:2-3 ?

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Um, boy, are you asking the wrong guy; i'm pretty sure i know less now than the day i got here, bro. But, judging from what i hear--which is strictly third hand, for me--haven't the Fascists, the Empire, been jamming "Peace and Security" up pretty much every orifice, here in the DW(Developed World), at least? I'm so Secure at the airport now, that it takes me 2 hours to get from the parking lot to my boarding gate, which is like 150 yards.

And we sing this song down at the bar; "...So we don't have to sacrifice..." i mean, how much more Peaceful can it be than that?
All i hear about whenever i walk by Mom's room is "Peace talks this" and "Aleppo that," i guess this Aleppo place is pretty peaceful, too? So ya, i hear "Peace and Security" being talked about, alla time, ya. When i want peace, i go out to the garden, myself. Because all of that talking about Peace and Security gives me a headache, frankly; mom is old, tv is loud, etc.

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26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

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Originally Posted by shazeep

26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

And how are you so sure, that this verse is not you?

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

And how are you so sure, that this verse is not you?

That verse is all about me, K. For me, that is all that verse is about.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Some context on the scripture you quoted Luke 13:27-28

Luke 13:27 "But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come ...
... But he shall say, I tell you, I know not where you come from;
depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.


Matthew 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. ...
... And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you
that work iniquity. ... Depart from me, workers of lawlessness. ...

Strong's Concordance
adikia: injustice, unrighteousness
Original Word: ἀδικία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: adikia
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-ee-kee'-ah)
Short Definition: unrighteousness
Definition: injustice, unrighteousness, hurt.

3. a deed violating law and justice, act of unrighteousness: πᾶσα ἀδικία ἁμαρτία ἐστι, 1 John 5:17; ἐργάται τῆς ἀδικίας, Luke 13:27 αἱ ἀδικίαι iniquities, misdeeds, Hebrews 8:12 (from the Sept. Jeremiah 38:34 (); cf. Daniel 4:20 (24)); μισθός ἀδικίας reward obtained by wrong-doing, Acts 1:18; 2 Peter 2:15; specifically, the wrong of depriving another of what is his, 2 Corinthians 12:13 (where a favor is ironically called ἀδικία.

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Some context on the scripture you quoted Luke 13:27-28

Luke 13:27 "But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come ...
... But he shall say, I tell you, I know not where you come from;
depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.


Matthew 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. ...
... And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you
that work iniquity. ... Depart from me, workers of lawlessness. ...

Strong's Concordance
adikia: injustice, unrighteousness
Original Word: ἀδικία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: adikia
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-ee-kee'-ah)
Short Definition: unrighteousness
Definition: injustice, unrighteousness, hurt.

3. a deed violating law and justice, act of unrighteousness: πᾶσα ἀδικία ἁμαρτία ἐστι, 1 John 5:17; ἐργάται τῆς ἀδικίας, Luke 13:27 αἱ ἀδικίαι iniquities, misdeeds, Hebrews 8:12 (from the Sept. Jeremiah 38:34 (); cf. Daniel 4:20 (24)); μισθός ἀδικίας reward obtained by wrong-doing, Acts 1:18; 2 Peter 2:15; specifically, the wrong of depriving another of what is his, 2 Corinthians 12:13 (where a favor is ironically called ἀδικία.

judge by the fruit, K, and follow your heart. I encourage you to do this, and do not condemn whatever choice you make.

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Some context on the scripture you quoted Luke 13:27-28

Luke 13:27 "But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come ...
... But he shall say, I tell you, I know not where you come from;
depart from me, all you workers of iniquity.


Matthew 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. ...
... And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you
that work iniquity. ... Depart from me, workers of lawlessness. ...

Strong's Concordance
adikia: injustice, unrighteousness
Original Word: ἀδικία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: adikia
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-ee-kee'-ah)
Short Definition: unrighteousness
Definition: injustice, unrighteousness, hurt.

3. a deed violating law and justice, act of unrighteousness: πᾶσα ἀδικία ἁμαρτία ἐστι, 1 John 5:17; ἐργάται τῆς ἀδικίας, Luke 13:27 αἱ ἀδικίαι iniquities, misdeeds, Hebrews 8:12 (from the Sept. Jeremiah 38:34 (); cf. Daniel 4:20 (24)); μισθός ἀδικίας reward obtained by wrong-doing, Acts 1:18; 2 Peter 2:15; specifically, the wrong of depriving another of what is his, 2 Corinthians 12:13 (where a favor is ironically called ἀδικία.

See, you have disconnected "eaten and drank in Your presence" with "workers of iniquity," K. Alla sudden those "workers of iniquity" are somebody else, aren't they, like maybe Muslims, or black people, or you don't even know, do you; somebody else, the bad guys, the people i fear, whatever.

Anybody else, but the people that were identified, K; the people that ate and drank in His Presence.
I see you doing all that bolding there, trying like to tell me something, so i bolded one more for ya, k

Originally Posted by shazeep

26Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by shazeep

That verse is all about me, K. For me, that is all that verse is about.

It is a verse that warns all of us, none of us are exempt.

Originally Posted by shazeep

judge by the fruit, K, and follow your heart. I encourage you to do this, and do not condemn whatever choice you make.

Yes, we must judge by fruit.

Originally Posted by shazeep

you might be better served to discover when that day is, perhaps. When is that day? And, since i am seeking your comment on this, how am i working iniquity? Please point it out, be specific, don't pull any punches there. Ty

The workers of iniquity were ones who said they had eaten and drank in his presence. Bottom line, they were workers of inquiry, hence good to find out where else that phrase was mentioned, and what it means to us who read.

Originally Posted by shazeep

See, you have disconnected "eaten and drank in Your presence" with "workers of iniquity," K. Alla sudden those "workers of iniquity" are somebody else, aren't they, like maybe Muslims, or black people, or you don't even know, do you; somebody else, the bad guys, the people i fear, whatever.

Anybody else, but the people that were identified, K; the people that ate and drank in His Presence.
I see you doing all that bolding there, trying like to tell me something, so i bolded one more for ya, k

I didn't disconnect the two... workers of iniquity had eaten and drunk in his presence... hence the context on workers of iniquity and who they are.

"Eating and drinking" is WHAT they were doing. I was just pointing out WHO workers of iniquity are. No disconnect there.