Seconds of Pre Embryonic Life of Jesus Christ?

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Sean

Do you want a book full of commentaries or simple scriptures?

It does not seem to matter to you.
You interpret the scriptures as you wish anyway.
It is pretty simple.
If you can read John chapter 1 and not believe that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh, well...
Or Isaiah 9:6:
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

[Sean]

Could it be?.....


Isaiah 9:6King James Version (KJV)

6 For unto us a child is(present tense) born, unto us a son is(present tense) given: and the government shall(future tense) be upon his shoulder: and his name shall(future tense) be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Can you see the change in the tense?


Notice it is changes from mortality to immortality in the tenses.


Notice the change in Jesus in Matt 28:18.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

...of mine own self do nothing...



Does anyone want to tell this man that He was wrong?

.....From pre Matt. 28:18.

[Sean]

The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

This way.....


9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily....


19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

[Sean]

To all.

Does the book of John make better sense yet?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

Could it be?.....


Isaiah 9:6King James Version (KJV)

6 For unto us a child is(present tense) born, unto us a son is(present tense) given: and the government shall(future tense) be upon his shoulder: and his name shall(future tense) be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Can you see the change in the tense?


Notice it is changes from mortality to immortality in the tenses.


Notice the change in Jesus in Matt 28:18.

"SHALL" means future tense? That is your proof?

Uhm, Sean, you might want to look up those 'shalls' in your Strong's or your BDB.

"Shall" in this case means with certainty it shall be.

Here is that verse in the Brenton Septuigent.

Isaiah 9:6....For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

This, like in the KJV, says from the beginning the "government" is upon Him. And, from the beginning, His "name" is "called..."

Remember, Jesus was the physical descendant born to sit on David's throne, and He was to be called "Emmanuel," which is "God with us." All present realities from the birth of the "child/son."

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

To all.

Does the book of John make better sense yet?

You mean from what little you've posted?



No.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Sean

To all.

Does the book of John make better sense yet?

Just wondering what the end result of your doctrine is.
Are we all "little Jesus'"?
What is your overall point.
I have dealt with enough people who take the scripture out of context to know that you have some overall point to this.
As a matter of fact someone with a similar doctrine that you are espousing just convinced a new convert to leave his apostolic church family, because they were wrong.
Of course, he has now convinced him to leave his wife and two young children as well, because they are staying.
If I sound a little bitter about this, I am.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by Sean

This way.....


9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily....


19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

I would put more emphasis on ALL THE FULNESS.

Yes, God was in Christ.

I and my Father are One.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Sean how to you describe the logos?

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS GOD.