Forgiveness or Remission?

[Esaias]

What about a man stranded in a desert and....?

What about the folks who repent but never get the Holy Ghost?

What about the poor guy who dies on the way to church and never gets to an altar call?

Whataboutism is a serious disease affecting millions. Do your part to stop its spread.

What about that missing Bible study that shows THE BIBLE TEACHES ALIEN SINNERS RECEIVE PARDON FROM THEIR SINS BEFORE BEING BAPTIZED FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS OR BEFORE BEING BAPTIZED AND WASHING AWAY THEIR SINS?

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What about a man stranded in a desert and....?

What about the folks who repent but never get the Holy Ghost?

What about the poor guy who dies on the way to church and never gets to an altar call?

Whataboutism is a serious disease affecting millions. Do your part to stop its spread.

What about that missing Bible study that shows THE BIBLE TEACHES ALIEN SINNERS RECEIVE PARDON FROM THEIR SINS BEFORE BEING BAPTIZED FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS OR BEFORE BEING BAPTIZED AND WASHING AWAY THEIR SINS?

The answer to whataboutism is sometime simply we don’t know.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

The answer to whataboutism is sometime simply we don’t know.

The answer to "what about baptism for the remission of sins" is that baptism is for the remission of sins.

[Esaias]

I remember back on FCF and nFCF the discussions about the "PCI vs PAJC view". I also remember hearing that Tennessee had a lot of PCI-view ministers and churches. So I kind of understand what's happening here.

And yes I know "PCI view" and "PAJC view" are somewhat misleading as both organizations had both views to varying degrees, but... those who know what I'm saying know what I'm saying.

[james34]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I remember back on FCF and nFCF the discussions about the "PCI vs PAJC view". I also remember hearing that Tennessee had a lot of PCI-view ministers and churches. So I kind of understand what's happening here.

And yes I know "PCI view" and "PAJC view" are somewhat misleading as both organizations had both views to varying degrees, but... those who know what I'm saying know what I'm saying.

I gotcha, forgiveness at repentance and ivermectin for evrting else!

[Esaias]

According to a Tecarta mobile search, remission occurs in the NT 10 times, while forgiveness occurs 6 times. The KJV primarily uses remission rather than forgiveness as a translation of aphesis.

[good samaritan]

I can see where the misunderstanding comes. To most English readers remission is going to mean remove or wipe away (cause to no longer exists), but forgive is just to pardon sin. I have been a part of many KJV only churches in my life and many did not look into Hebrew and Greek. That being said, the KJV would lend to making this distinction.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I can see where the misunderstanding comes. To most English readers remission is going to mean remove or wipe away (cause to no longer exists), but forgive is just to pardon sin. I have been a part of many KJV only churches in my life and many did not look into Hebrew and Greek. That being said, the KJV would lend to making this distinction.

For the first couple months of being a Christian, I used a NKJV. Then I switched to the KJV. Not once did I *ever* even so much as HEAR about any supposed difference between remission and forgiveness until my adventures on the FCF, nFCF, and AFF forums, coming from certain Oneness posters who seemed to be trying to reconcile "baptism for the remission of sins" with a belief that one is forgiven in "repentance".

But then again, I also have a practical fluency in English and am generally considered "functionally literate", so...

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Esaias

For the first couple months of being a Christian, I used a NKJV. Then I switched to the KJV. Not once did I *ever* even so much as HEAR about any supposed difference between remission and forgiveness until my adventures on the FCF, nFCF, and AFF forums, coming from certain Oneness posters who seemed to be trying to reconcile "baptism for the remission of sins" with a belief that one is forgiven in "repentance".

But then again, I also have a practical fluency in English and am generally considered "functionally literate", so...

Yet you have been discussing with me for over ten pages, presuming I believe that forgiveness and remission have 2 different meanings. Which I have explained several times, that I do not. All the while I am concerned that you are mistaking me for teaching easy believism.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

Yet you have been discussing with me for over ten pages, presuming I believe that forgiveness and remission have 2 different meanings. Which I have explained several times, that I do not. All the while I am concerned that you are mistaking me for teaching easy believism.

You have not in fact explained that forgiveness and remission are the same thing several times. That was only just recently that you made that clear. And, you aren't the only one I have been posting to, or for, for that matter.