Remission Of Sins Through Baptism

[SDG]

Praxeas do you believe this spiritual circumcision happens during the properly administered baptism ... are sins remitted/washed away for the first time as a result?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Praxeas do you believe this spiritual circumcision happens during the properly administered baptism ... are sins remitted/washed away for the first time as a result?

sins are forgiven at faith/repentance. Not sure when the circumcision of the heart begins...probably at repentance.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The important thing is to be circumcised in heart. Jesus said make the inside of the cup clean first so the outside will be clean also.

NT circumcision, the sign of the covenant, seems to be water baptism in Jesus name. This is an outward washing that represents an inward washing that God has done.

Here is my thing...no where EVER in the bible is the necessity of baptism questioned. Nobody ever balked at the idea of being baptized. Nobody ever reasoned or questioned Paul or Peter as to whether or not they needed to heed this command. Nobody ever questioned as to whether or not something spiritual happened or not. Nobody ever put it off for a couple weeks or months. Nobody ever gave it as optional. That just never happened in the bible.

To me questions of what exactly takes place, if anything, spiritually are irrelevant. In fact questions as to whether or not one HAS to be baptized...as if a new believer can make a decision whether or not to heed this NT command, are indications that perhaps they have not really entered into covenant with Jesus.

I am not an absolutist in this though. If asked "what about someone that has faith and repents but dies before being baptized" my answer is they were saved by God. God is the savior....not our faith...nor our work of repentance nor our work of baptism. But no man can be saved or was ever really saved that refuses the covenant sign of water baptism nor will they remain saved that refuses to obey this biblical command. IF circumcision of the flesh was only a sign and does nothing significant YET due to disobedience one could not partake of the Covenant then even a sign or a symbol is necessary to have if not essential or substantial in action.

Praxeas,
Good words, and I agree with them. That is my whole point on entering this discussion; perhaps there is disagreement over what takes place during baptism, however when using the Old Testament correlative of circumcision, we can still conclude that baptism is required.

God bless.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Rico

The way I read the scripture, namely Acts 2:38 is that it says to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins. Repenting is only part and baptism is only part. It takes both for remission of sins.

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

Double AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ron]

Too simple!



But too true as well!

[Steve Epley]

No one in the NT Church age has recieved remission of sins with being baptized n Jesus Name.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No one in the NT Church age has recieved remission of sins with being baptized n Jesus Name.

uh oh, Elder, looks like a typo there,
or
are you looking our way?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No one in the NT Church age has recieved remission of sins with being baptized n Jesus Name.

Brother Epley,
Do you know what scriptures are used by those that believe you receive a "measure of the spirit" at repentance?

I do not espouse that teaching, just wondering.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No one in the NT Church age has recieved remission of sins with being baptized n Jesus Name.

Unless AB somehow corrupted Bro Epley (haha) this must be a typo