Random Questions Thread

[Amanah]

Shag,

This is a book Esaias recommend to me:

End Time Delusions
By Steve Wohlberg

It will answer your questions

[Amanah]

Clarification please.

Revelation is written to the church. The letters in chapters 1-3 are addressed to the churches in Asia Minor. Chapters 4-5 are the inauguration of the new covenant with Israel, the church.

How much of Revelation is about ethnic Jews?
Is the enemy presented in Revelation false Jews in collaboration with Rome?
The beast of the sea, Rome. (Empire)
The beast of the earth, false Jews. (False religion)
Empire and false religion combined, Mystery Babylon?

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Clarification please.

Revelation is written to the church. The letters in chapters 1-3 are addressed to the churches in Asia Minor. Chapters 4-5 are the inauguration of the new covenant with Israel, the church. Revelation was written to the seven churches in Asia that are identified by name

How much of Revelation is about ethnic Jews? The book is all about the cures on Israel of that day
Is the enemy presented in Revelation false Jews in collaboration with Rome? Mostly, yes
The beast of the sea, Rome. (Empire)Yes
The beast of the earth, false Jews. (False religion) The religious system of old Israel
Empire and false religion combined, Mystery Babylon?No "Mystery Babylon," but is "Babylon the great," which was the Old Jerusalem temple worship system...long gone

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[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Clarification please.

Revelation is written to the church. The letters in chapters 1-3 are addressed to the churches in Asia Minor. Chapters 4-5 are the inauguration of the new covenant with Israel, the church.

How much of Revelation is about ethnic Jews?

What do you mean by "ethnic Jews"? Do you mean "ethnic The-People-Today-Called-Jews"? Or do you mean "the people actually descended from Jacob"?

The book is about what the rest of the Bible is about - God redeeming and delivering Israel from their enemies through the Messiah, leading to the reformation of all humanity and the restoration of things to the way they were intended.

Is the enemy presented in Revelation false Jews in collaboration with Rome?
The beast of the sea, Rome. (Empire)
The beast of the earth, false Jews. (False religion)
Empire and false religion combined, Mystery Babylon?

The enemy presented in Revelation is a dragon, a beast from the sea, a beast from the earth, a harlot, the kings of the earth, the merchants of the earth, imposters who claim to be Jews, false apostles and teachers in the church, the general population of the wicked, and the spiritual forces motivating all these things.

The beast from the earth is a two horned lamb-like beast, it looked like a lamb but spake as a dragon. This is the entity that "causes everyone to receive a mark". This is the Papal Roman power attempting to keep alive and revive the (western) Roman empire, instituting false Christianity (catholicism) and forcing the world into the Roman form of government and society. One might say the beast from the sea is the Roman political power, and the beast from the earth is the Roman religious power, but I think that would be an oversimplification, even if it works in a very generalised sense. It should be noted that the Papacy is an outgrowth of both pagan and Jewish Gnosticism, and has always had a distinctly rabbinical influence (one of the Papal crowns is adorned with the "star of David" aka the seal of Solomon which is straight out of medieval Jewish kaballah, etc).

The harlot is identified as Jerusalem, and clearly represents the apostate Jewish system which is "riding the (Roman) beast", is propped up by it, and which influences the kings of the earth and their subjects to support the Roman beast system. The concept of "Jews" needs to be understood as including both apostate antichristian Israelites of the Judean hierarchy and religio-political system, as well as those imposters (Revelation 2:9, 3:9) who claim to be Judeans but are not - instead they are the religious antichristian system known as Judaism ("synagogue of satan"), and yes that includes Edomite "Jews" as well as anyone else who adopts the religion of Pharisaism.

There are a lot of players on the field, but ultimately there's only two teams - God's, and satan's.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What do you mean by "ethnic Jews"? Do you mean "ethnic The-People-Today-Called-Jews"? Or do you mean "the people actually descended from Jacob"?

The book is about what the rest of the Bible is about - God redeeming and delivering Israel from their enemies through the Messiah, leading to the reformation of all humanity and the restoration of things to the way they were intended.

The enemy presented in Revelation is a dragon, a beast from the sea, a beast from the earth, a harlot, the kings of the earth, the merchants of the earth, imposters who claim to be Jews, false apostles and teachers in the church, the general population of the wicked, and the spiritual forces motivating all these things.

The beast from the earth is a two horned lamb-like beast, it looked like a lamb but spake as a dragon. This is the entity that "causes everyone to receive a mark". This is the Papal Roman power attempting to keep alive and revive the (western) Roman empire, instituting false Christianity (catholicism) and forcing the world into the Roman form of government and society. One might say the beast from the sea is the Roman political power, and the beast from the earth is the Roman religious power, but I think that would be an oversimplification, even if it works in a very generalised sense. It should be noted that the Papacy is an outgrowth of both pagan and Jewish Gnosticism, and has always had a distinctly rabbinical influence (one of the Papal crowns is adorned with the "star of David" aka the seal of Solomon which is straight out of medieval Jewish kaballah, etc).

The harlot is identified as Jerusalem, and clearly represents the apostate Jewish system which is "riding the (Roman) beast", is propped up by it, and which influences the kings of the earth and their subjects to support the Roman beast system. The concept of "Jews" needs to be understood as including both apostate antichristian Israelites of the Judean hierarchy and religio-political system, as well as those imposters (Revelation 2:9, 3:9) who claim to be Judeans but are not - instead they are the religious antichristian system known as Judaism ("synagogue of satan"), and yes that includes Edomite "Jews" as well as anyone else who adopts the religion of Pharisaism.

There are a lot of players on the field, but ultimately there's only two teams - God's, and satan's.

I was thinking whenever you see the 12 tribes mentioned, it's talking about the Israel of God. But, the apocalyptic imagery would be the synagogue of Satan (false Jews) as you said.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I was thinking whenever you see the 12 tribes mentioned, it's talking about the Israel of God. But, the apocalyptic imagery would be the synagogue of Satan (false Jews) as you said.

Not sure what you mean here?

The 12 tribes wouldn't be imposters, they would be Israel. The ones who "say they are Judeans but are not, but do lie, and are the synagogue of satan" would be imposters. As are the Edomites who converted back in the 2nd century BC and who ever since have laid claim to being "Judeans" (Jews), along with anyone else claiming to be "Jews", but who aren't Judahites descended from Jacob.

Keep in mind, there were and are plenty of Israelites (descended from the actual 12 tribes) who are just as if not more satanic and wicked than anything any other nation has or could produce. It wasn't just "imposters" screaming "Crucify him!" He came unto His own, and His own received him not.

[Esaias]

One of the biggest problems facing the student of prophecy these days is the over-simplifying of terms and concepts. "Jew", "Rome", "beast", etc are all thought of in overly simplistic terms, and as a result people miss what's going on.

Obviously one doesn't have to be a seminary scholar to understand the basic message of Revelation, but if a student wants to get into the nitty gritty details, they are going to have get into a LOT of nitty gritty details.

On the one hand, there are people who think the "Jews" are a bunch of international bankers who run the entire world and control everything. On another hand there are those who think the Vatican runs everything and the "Jews" are a front. Then there is the "Anglo-Zionist" theory, which asserts the royal families of Great Britain run everything. Then it's the Masons, or the Templars, etc etc etc.

From what I have been able to determine, the Papacy is run by a collection of powerful interests, notably European noble families and European banker families (like the Borgias, the Medicis, and others, who are still around and very powerful). The "Jewish banker elite" like the Rothschilds and related families are not Judeans, but Edomites who are used as the middle-men for managing both Vatican monies and European royal family moneys. The "Masons" and many other similar "secret fraternal societies" are European noble orders of chivalry and related front groups. What we call "government" and "industry" and "finance" is all a front for these various entities and groups. This is why pretty much no matter who gets elected or which party is in power, whether in America, Canada, Europe, or whatever, things stay essentially the same. This is the actual "deep state" that people talk about, although they are mistaken in believing the "deep state" is just the middle management executive and administrative bureaucrats.

There are really only two family lines running everything: Israelite, and Edomite. They collaborate together, in fact intermarry in many cases (many modern European noble families trace their ancestry to Herod or his relatives as well as to the Flavians and other Roman Imperial families). They also squabble with one another. Their various agendas, programs, infighting, collaborations, etc are what we see as "news", "wars", "financial cycles", "political movements", etc. Abraham was destined by God to inherit the world, and his two grandsons, Jacob and Esau, have been fighting over that inheritance pretty much ever since. That is what we call "world history" since at least the time of the Maccabees.

There are ancestral ethnic lines involved in this, there are ideological religious/philosophical lines, and there are financial/money/wealth lines involved in this. They are intermingled and inter-related.

And the "news" and "history" is pretty much entirely fake, meant to brainwash and deceive the masses as to what's actually going on and why.

In the end, though, God's church will triumph, and the whole dominion will be given to the people of the saints of the Most high.

[Esaias]

And we haven't even gotten into the "seed of the serpent" yet...

[shag]

She’s running against Trump?



A Sincere thank you for taking the time to school me on this stuff

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shag

She’s running against Trump?



A Sincere thank you for taking the time to school me on this stuff

Lol

You're welcome!