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Old 07-17-2009, 05:30 PM
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

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As TFT used to say, "The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing!"

I am amazed to see maybe 70% or higher of former UPC bible school students no longer associated with the UPC. Aren't bible school students supposed to be the best of the best and the future of the organization? This is a very telling sign in itself!
Where would one go to verify these stats?
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Old 07-17-2009, 05:32 PM
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

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Where would one go to verify these stats?
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Old 07-17-2009, 05:32 PM
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Some might say that the UPCI died with the affirmation statement. At that time it ceased to be what the founders of it had envisioned.

Just an observation from a non-UPC type.
There is a lot of truth in that statement.
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Old 07-17-2009, 06:53 PM
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

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oh ye people of little faith.. I did not say the UPC was DEAD.. I said it is dying.
Sounds like you are sitting on a perch waiting for the last gasp.

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I do believe it can be saved..thanks to TFT and RJ : )
Saved as creating something generic and user friendly? Kind of like Eastern Philosophy? Something like Olsteen, who teaches the Hindu Vedas disguised as Christianity?

Isn't it all about no one getting convicted, no one having to change their lives in any drastic way? Hey, you can't tell the sinner from the saint. People look like they were shot out of a canon or dumpster diving for their laundry; All this is done in the name of saving souls?

Yet, the reality is the jack leg preachers who advocate all this, are having visions of dollar signs dance in their heads. They cater to women and effeminate men, who are motivated to empty their bank accounts into the coffers of the royalty (the Charismatic Dalai Lamas) who are untouchable, unapproachable and unquestionable.

The new Charismatic movement is the brainchild of the post modern world around us. It has impregnated American Churchism and filled the preachers and performers of the movement with starry eyes and yearning to party like a rock star.

Save the United Pentecostal? Charisma Magazine fired the first shot over the bow when they reported there were individuals working from the inside to bring reform. Bring reform? Reform to what? To make the One God Pentecostal movement just another apple in the bunch? To make the One God movement blend into the weirdness of the Charismatic movement? A movement which is the laughingstock of the rest of the free thinking world?

Save the UPCI to follow in the foot steps of Benny Sinner, Paula and Randy White, Thomas Weeks, Juanita Bynum, Ted Haggard, the two fornicating Jimmies, Todd Bentley, Peter Popoff, and Robert Tilton?

Reform from the inside? What's that I hear? Ka-ching! Ka-ching!, More money. . . . more money. . . more money. . . Keep those cards and letters coming!

Baseball players, motocross racers, basket ball players, movie actors, rock singers, and Trinitarian Charismatics are all getting fat wallets, Malibu, Denver, and a penthouse in Manhattan overlooking central park west.

However, the very talented One God Pentecostals who yearn to have the rock star life and still be labeled as Christian, looked at the Charismatic Televangelist, and allowed their mouths to salivate to party like a rock star.

Meanwhile as they run to fellowship with Robin Leech, and Benny Sin, they lead many astray. They promise them liberty and lead them to spiritual destruction.

Save the UPCI? It won't be done by any opportunists.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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Old 07-17-2009, 07:13 PM
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

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You are absolutely right. This runs parallel with the passing of resolution 4 and many other things. This was once a noble organization that stood for the old paths. The good way. But now it is common in these churches to see Women wearing pants, (not new converts either) women wearing make-up, women cutting their hair. People with short sleeves, short skirts and dresses. Many now have televisions, dvd, and are not ashamed to say that they go to ballgames and the movie houses. Not to mention the attitude and spirit that goes along with this. The root of the problem is the heart. When your heart is unholy, your dress is unholy. You can tell a lot by how a person dresses and fixes their hair. I can spot a queer (or lesbian) in a matter of seconds based upon what I see they are wearing and how their hair is fixed.

These types of people are filled with anger also. Some are reading this with the hair on their neck already standing up, they need pray through to some good Holy Ghost convictions. Too think that someone would actually be interested in Holiness both inward and outward is foreign to most on this forum. So yes you are exactly right, the U.P.C. is dying. Until they get back to the Old Paths and start dressing right and get rid of Hollywood in their homes they will be DEAD. They are only a few elders away.
Some crazy stuff here! ROTFL!!!
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:21 PM
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Re: The UPC is a dying movement!

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Sounds like you are sitting on a perch waiting for the last gasp.



Saved as creating something generic and user friendly? Kind of like Eastern Philosophy? Something like Olsteen, who teaches the Hindu Vedas disguised as Christianity?

Isn't it all about no one getting convicted, no one having to change their lives in any drastic way? Hey, you can't tell the sinner from the saint. People look like they were shot out of a canon or dumpster diving for their laundry; All this is done in the name of saving souls?

Yet, the reality is the jack leg preachers who advocate all this, are having visions of dollar signs dance in their heads. They cater to women and effeminate men, who are motivated to empty their bank accounts into the coffers of the royalty (the Charismatic Dalai Lamas) who are untouchable, unapproachable and unquestionable.

The new Charismatic movement is the brainchild of the post modern world around us. It has impregnated American Churchism and filled the preachers and performers of the movement with starry eyes and yearning to party like a rock star.

Save the United Pentecostal? Charisma Magazine fired the first shot over the bow when they reported there were individuals working from the inside to bring reform. Bring reform? Reform to what? To make the One God Pentecostal movement just another apple in the bunch? To make the One God movement blend into the weirdness of the Charismatic movement? A movement which is the laughingstock of the rest of the free thinking world?

Save the UPCI to follow in the foot steps of Benny Sinner, Paula and Randy White, Thomas Weeks, Juanita Bynum, Ted Haggard, the two fornicating Jimmies, Todd Bentley, Peter Popoff, and Robert Tilton?

Reform from the inside? What's that I hear? Ka-ching! Ka-ching!, More money. . . . more money. . . more money. . . Keep those cards and letters coming!

Baseball players, motocross racers, basket ball players, movie actors, rock singers, and Trinitarian Charismatics are all getting fat wallets, Malibu, Denver, and a penthouse in Manhattan overlooking central park west.

However, the very talented One God Pentecostals who yearn to have the rock star life and still be labeled as Christian, looked at the Charismatic Televangelist, and allowed their mouths to salivate to party like a rock star.

Meanwhile as they run to fellowship with Robin Leech, and Benny Sin, they lead many astray. They promise them liberty and lead them to spiritual destruction.

Save the UPCI? It won't be done by any opportunists.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

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Old 07-17-2009, 08:35 PM
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No, I'm not... I wish they would just make some changes.. admit a few mistakes . Its the hard line.. hard headed ones that is causing this.
This next generation is NOT going for this nonsense.. its a new day!
Celebrate!

Honestly, has anyone ever been in a position where they had to actually defend the whole "traditional UPC" program? And... defend it face-to-face with educated and trained theologians and social commentators?

It's really kind of embarrassing. I grew tired of being embarrassed and hoping that some day things would get "better." Then the hardliners threw me out... in a way they did me a favor. They certainly didn't do themselves any favors because the leadership respected my opinions over that of the "hardliners."

There are a lot of reasons to be encouraged. And, ironically, even though Sandra's opening post may seem discouraging to some - it's really a cause for cheer.
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Don't make things difficult by asking for such useless things as facts and verification, you need the attitude of ....


AFA said it,
Hoover believes it,
That settles it!


HA!


Well I am not really doubting it, just wondering who was at the tally...
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Old 07-17-2009, 08:40 PM
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Well I am not really doubting it, just wondering who was at the tally...
I think Mr. Steinway is probably just going on the stats from our class/group from JCM. When we had the reunion in 2005, about 70% were out of UPC. Most all of my friends have left for one reason or another. It could be the era that we attended though; we had some teachers that really encouraged us to think outside the box.
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I think it would be interesting to know how many people follow the standards because they truly believe that they are biblically required, and how many people have other reasons. Family pressure, pressure to conform, fear, or preference.
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