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Old 04-20-2015, 10:16 PM
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Re: List of grace giving churches.

Even worldly teenagers know that when you go on a road trip with friends everybody should pitch in for gas if they have some money; its just instinctively fair and to fail to do so would mean you are probably not a true friend. The same principle applies to the church today. We are all friends here, or should be, so if you can help pay for the costs associated with the group you are traveling with, do so! Don't hide behind a "10% rule", give what you know YOU can give and don't worry about what your neighbor is doing; he will answer for himself in due time.
There will also be times when God will impress upon you to give a certain amount without anyone else knowing anything about it. I don't have to tell you what you should do in those situations.

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Old 04-23-2015, 10:00 PM
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Re: List of grace giving churches.

We do not teach a ten percent church tax on members' wages. We teach you give as the Lord leads you to give.

We also don't take up an offering, but we DO teach alms-giving to the poor (every Christian should set aside money to give to the poor or less fortunate, and every local assembly should minister to the poor as well).
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Old 04-24-2015, 10:33 AM
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We do not teach a ten percent church tax on members' wages...We also don't take up an offering...
I used to attend a congregation that did not pass an offering plate around but instead everyone walked up to the front and placed their offerings in a plate that sat on the edge of the platform.

I think you are right to compare the compulsory 10% contribution we know as "tithing" to a tax. And Israel needed taxes because they were a nation, a nation intended to be run by priests (until they demanded a king.) We are not a nation; there has never been a Christian nation on Earth. Some false teachers claim otherwise not the least of which were the British Anglicans of a few centuries ago who believed themselves to be the "new" Jews.

Priests and tithing go hand in hand throughout history. But unlike many denominations Apostolics do not recognize a distinct priesthood within the faith.

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Old 04-24-2015, 10:51 AM
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Are there any Apostolic organizations that do not teach or preach tithing?
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Old 04-24-2015, 11:17 AM
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Are there any Apostolic organizations that do not teach or preach tithing?
Most organizations that I know teach tithing. You'll normally find independent works that don't, if that's what you're looking for.
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Old 04-24-2015, 12:13 PM
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Most organizations that I know teach tithing. You'll normally find independent works that don't, if that's what you're looking for.
I'm looking for fellowship with believers of like faith and understanding. It is kind of stressful to be ahead of the curve on the issue of tithing. And I no longer bring up the issue in face-to-face conversations because, in my experience, it quickly leads to unpleasantness on the part of the person I am desiring to reason with.

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Old 04-24-2015, 12:39 PM
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It may require moving to find what you're looking for.
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Old 04-24-2015, 12:45 PM
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It may require moving to find what you're looking for.
yes I know, but I can still visit. Besides, one step at a time, right? I want to "feel the Spirit" in a congregation that does not teach or preach tithing.
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yes I know, but I can still visit. Besides, one step at a time, right? I want to "feel the Spirit" in a congregation that does not teach or preach tithing.
I was told the upc requires its ministers to sign a statement that they will teach and practice tithing. If so, then that would limit options.
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Old 04-24-2015, 01:01 PM
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I was told the upc requires its ministers to sign a statement that they will teach and practice tithing. If so, then that would limit options.
Not only that, but I know of no congregations who do not require you to profess belief in the doctrine of church tithing to be a voting member, something I cannot do in clear conscience. And being a permanent outsider is a less than desirable position.

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